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Thu 24 Jan 13 #1 
kevg
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An army composed of ordinary citizens rather than professional soldiers.

A private, non-government force, not necessarily directly supported or sanctioned by its government.

Many countries have had armed militias, including:

Argentina
Armenia
Australia
Austria
Canada
China
Cuba
Denmark
France
Germany
India
Iran
Iraq
Israel
Latvia
Mexico
New Zealand
Norway
Pakistan
Russia
Sri Lanka
Sudan
Sweden
Switzerland

and Texas !!

Hardly a new idea. In virtually all these countries the militia's supported the government, or at least the prospective government, against foreign powers. The view that a militia is there to control the government is surely a recipe for revolution.
Mostly formed in the days before standing armies these groups defended their homes and land. Contrary to popular opinion armed militas did not defeat the British in USA. By the end of that war US armies had evolved to be able to take on the British as almost equals and with French help succeeded.
In mid 18th century even the British had militias. To fight Napoleon not the US who weren't worth the effort for UK.
That'll do for a start, looking forward to a "good discussion" on this one.


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Thu 24 Jan 13 #2 
Ajax
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I glued my finger in my nose.


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Thu 24 Jan 13 #3 
kevg
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what an erotic image.


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Fri 25 Jan 13 #4 
USS Palladin
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Well we did develop a decent standing army after a good long while but the only real battles we won were Saratoga and Yorktown. Yorktown only because it was the one rare time the French Navy actually beat the RN, which they probably wouldn't have if the RN hadn't gone off chasing the French in the Carribean.....
Washington had such a hard time keeping anybody in his army that it was almost like a militia for the most part. And really wasn't it more like an insurgency than a war? We kept you bottled up in our big cities and we controlled the countryside. Washington had always planned to sacifice land and territory if need be to keep the war going. It was more of a war of attrition than anything and we got lucky.
And I would hardly say we were equals even near the end of the war. Cornwallis really laid it on us in some big ones in the South and yes he did loose enough too to be forced to move north to Virginia but that not because he lost any really big land batles but more from his supply lines be constantly harrassed.


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Fri 25 Jan 13 #5 
sally906
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Texas is a country?


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Fri 25 Jan 13 #6 
Ajax
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He wants a good discussion and you guys are just pandering to him.


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Fri 25 Jan 13 #7 
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I saw a list in Wiki of more than 80 militias in the US. Scary.


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Fri 25 Jan 13 #8 
kevg
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Thanks for that USS, not a part I'm gonna cover too much but a very fair summation.
Sal, Texas wasn't a country as such I believe but for a short while it wasn't affiliated to the US after the settlers booted the Mexicans out. For about 10 years they tried to get the US to accept them, which they did in 1845 I think.
Strangely a country not mentioned in that list is the first that springs to mind when I think of militias, Congo. Loads of militias, all protecting a gold mine or a cobalt mine or something like that, not for the sake of the people but the local "big man". Usually ends up a neighboring country goes in and beats them up. Then someone else takes over. Far from being a stabilising force these militias terrorise the local populace, as I'm sure will happen in Chicago shortly.


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Fri 25 Jan 13 #9 
USS Palladin
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Texas was a country and was so for about 10 years post revolution. Finally annexed into the U.S.

I believe this has been covered in previous forums but some in Texas still believe they can secede and be independent as before but that isn't true. Stu set us straight on this a while back.

Chicago has a militia? I thought the mayors political machine was enough. :-)


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Sat 26 Jan 13 #10 
Doctor Factenstein
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Whenever I think of militia, Kev, the Interahamwe of Rwanda spring to mind.

They, of course, were the main organ of the genocide which saw between 10 and 20% of the Rwandan population slaughtered in the space of just 100 days.

Mostly, they were armed with machetes but still...armed militia nevertheless.


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