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Thu 3 Jan 13 #1 
jmaxg
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(explanatory note: "What Cheeses Me Off" was a segment started by a TV show on the Nine Network in Australia. That same show went on to be ridiculed for racial offensiveness in 2009 and it never recovered.

That does not mean we can't continue a similar ideal as expressed by the original segment.)

What cheeses me off is a United States Congress who cannot decide what is right for the American People!

Fiscal cliff be damned! Congress is more concerned with being unelected rather than doing their job.

The beginning of this was to try and keep a black president useless. Well, that didn't work.

Now, with all the dramas we still have like the debt ceiling (again), why can't congress just do something! The world is watching!

Ok....that's my beef at this time but it is subject to change.

What's your beef? What cheeses you off?

Anything will do. Whatever subject and whatever angle. It's your beef.

The purpose is, of course, to allow us to talk it out with you.


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Thu 3 Jan 13 #2 
kevg
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What cheeses me off ?? How long have you got ??


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Thu 3 Jan 13 #3 
JMK
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How long is a piece of string?


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Fri 4 Jan 13 #4 
kevg
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Petrol prices at £1.30 a LITRE. Government launches investigation into petrol company cartel. Government takes 61% of price as tax. Revolution needed !!!


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Fri 4 Jan 13 #5 
JMK
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Petrol here is NZ$2.12 a litre and 61.1c of that is tax plus GST of 12.5% which is effectively a tax on a tax. Not quite as bad as yours but still not good.


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Fri 4 Jan 13 #6 
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I have a mouse in my kitchen that has avoided four traps. I need a cat.


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Fri 4 Jan 13 #7 
JMK
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Peanut butter in the trap works well.


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Fri 4 Jan 13 #8 
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That's what the instructions said, and I did it. Maybe they prefer crunchy to smooth.
Or maybe they are from Wisconsin.*




* American joke...People in Wisconsin are often called cheeseheads because of the dairy farming in that state.


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Fri 4 Jan 13 #9 
Lucy
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I read somewhere to not overbait the trap. If there is too much peanut butter,they can grab it and run. Put a tiny bit and they have to get closer to the bait---and zap.


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Fri 4 Jan 13 #10 
sally906
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Bacon rind tied around so mousey has to give it a good tug!

Mind you I hate the killing traps - we have catch and release traps - I release them in the wild - not mice I hasten to add we get native rats in the roof - cute critters with fluffy tails - so happy to catch and release.


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Fri 4 Jan 13 #11 
sally906
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My pet hate is people who drive along talking on their mobile phones - saw a guy the other day who had his phone to his ear with one hand and a cup of coffee in his other - he was driving with one wrist on the steering wheel!


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Fri 4 Jan 13 #12 
JMK
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Driving while on the phone is banned here. Didn't stop a guy the other day who nearly hit the car I was in because he was texting - yes texting - and driving. He drifted into our lane and was centimetres away from hitting us when he realised and swerved back into his own lane.


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Fri 4 Jan 13 #13 
Doctor Factenstein
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About 10 years ago I was cut up by a transit van on Swindon's infamous magic roundabout. It was a woman driving and she was on her phone.

I'd have beeped the horn at her but I decided against her seeing as how she was in uniform - as were the six other police officers in the van.


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Fri 4 Jan 13 #14 
sally906
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Ex- copper hubby said you should have tooted. Right was on your side blah blah. I gave him the look that only a wife can give her spouse and said that I was fairly sure the evil genius was not suicidal! Even knowing most of the police here in Darwin I would not go up against 6 all swearing I was out of mind and making it up!

Using mobile phones while driving is illegal here in Oz but doesn't stop it from happening. There was a YouTube clip of a woman reading on an ereader as she was crushing along a motorway in Sydney recently - just crazy


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Fri 4 Jan 13 #15 
Doctor Factenstein
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Well, right would be on my side if I was sounding my horn to alert the van to my presence. If I was using it after the event as a rebuke then it wouldn't be according to the UK Highway Code.

As I'd already taken evasive action I figured tooting would've been a bad plan.


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Fri 4 Jan 13 #16 
Ajax
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People are dicks.


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Sat 5 Jan 13 #17 
tallyho
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What cheeses me off is that my vacation ends tomorrow. Now I have to wait until August for another amazing week here in the Outer Banks of North Carolina.


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Sat 5 Jan 13 #18 
jmaxg
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Movies lately.........especially big ticket movies.

Despite all the promise of "Prometheus", it just turned out to be some stinking rich old geezer that wanted to live forever.

It's not a director thing. Visually, the movie is quite stunning. I'm pretty sure it's a screenwriter thing or author thing. So I'm not blaming Ridley Scott.

But why didn't he choose to do Arthur C. Clarke's "Rendezvous with Rama" for chrissake?

And "The Dark Knight Rises"? Well, batboy fell into a huge crater as far as I am concerned.

I always thought that "Batman Begins" was flawed and they just went back there......sigh. "Bane" was a huge red herring and basically the whole film was about one pissed off lady and something about her dad getting killed or whatever.

And that caused Alfred to nick off? What the hell?? I liked him!!

Anyway, the Nolan brothers know SO MUCH MORE THAN WE DO so there ya go.

What a gyp!


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Sat 5 Jan 13 #19 
jmaxg
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Just in case you were wondering, you guys are responding in just the way I wanted you to.

Anything that pisses you off, vent it here.

If some wish to discuss the pissed off points, that's ok too!

By the way, here is a representation of what created this....

It was years and years before the show got in trouble.......they were still innocent and funny....



It's eight and a half minutes long, but it's worth a watch.


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Sat 5 Jan 13 #20 
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(: Funny folk!!!


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Sat 5 Jan 13 #21 
jmaxg
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It is good, isn't it? Australians can be such idiots.....LOL


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Sat 5 Jan 13 #22 
jackson
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i'd watch it if they'd show it here. ain't shit on tv worth watching, except science shows. which kinda pisses me off since you gotta pay the cable bill for mostly shitty programming that is either distasteful, uninteresting or both. & if i could get my hands around the throat of one them noisy bastards that comes into my living room shouting about some total bullshit product on commercial breaks, ii's for certain i'd be jailed on assault if not murder.


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Sat 5 Jan 13 #23 
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What about sports??? I think the variety available, including on cable, is amazing.
Or...have you ever seen Cash Cab?? Fun and funny quiz show!!! (:


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Sat 5 Jan 13 #24 
JMK
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We don't get a lot of channels over here compared to the US but I don't think more is necessarily better, there are only so many good shows to go around. I like quality drama, comedy and documentaries and with use of my sky recorder I can usually find enough to watch. They do have the tendency to put two good shows on at once, so watching one and recording the other works well for me. This time of year it is harder to find good shows as it is holiday time so a lot of the usual shows take a break over the Xmas/new year period but as I also spend more time outdoors it doesn't matter so much.


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Sat 5 Jan 13 #25 
jackson
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i watch some sports, documentaries, science programs, etc. Have no interest in reality programming or most current series. some people tell me there are some
good ones on, but don't see anything that great. do get a chance to watch old movies that i'd never watched. will watch most any science that's on or history. really don't have tv on that much, but sometimes nothing there anyway.


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Sun 6 Jan 13 #26 
Honey Badger
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One of the funniest shows I have ever seen on TV here is calleds the Repo Game. When people are way behind in their payments the repo tow truck shows up to take the vehicle away. The deal is simple. The Man tells the person he is there to take the car/truck back BUT if they can answer just THREE of FOUR EASY questions they will be allowed to keep the vehicle free and clear. It is ridiculous, of course. The hook the car up and crank it up a bit and the first question is asked. If they get the wrong answer (likely because they aren't too bright) the car is hoisted up a bit. Anyway, to may a long story short, most people don't know SQUAT and truthfully I don't know either because the questions are mainly from network TV or current bands or soap operas. I have seen a few where they get to keep the car and I am really very happy that their financial burden has been lifted. Funky show! Late night TV viewing for the insomniac! LOL

I am so sick of politics I don't even watch any news. I can't stand it. I watch A lot of History Channel, Smithsonian Channel, Nat Geo channel, science and nature stuff and then totally ridiculous things like Family Guy . I think Family Guy always manages to make me laugh out loud. Squid Billies is funny, too. Old movies are great but I hate remakes as a rule. That's my taste (or lack of the same). The History Channel is often incorrect so it has to be watched with a grain of salt.


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Sun 6 Jan 13 #27 
Honey Badger
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What I use to catch mice are these great white plastic traps into which the unsuspecting vermin venture to grab a nibble of peanutbutter, just a schmear, and a slicer whomps down and sort of, er, um, well, chops it's head nearly off. The good thing is that you can pick the whole thing up without looking as the poor little mousie you have just killed recklessly, heartlessly, and drop it into the trash. Before you feel sad I will remind you all that these mice carry Hanta Virus and the mortality rate for it is 38%. Kill the mice, not yourselves.


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Tue 8 Jan 13 #28 
jmaxg
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Excellent input....thanks jacko and wabzy/SSG/Honey Badger or whatever...

Ya know what cheeses me off??

1. Documentaries in this country (The United States) are just garbage. I think there is an active effort by networks to make people feel dumber than they actually are.

PBS (Public Broadcasting Service) is the exception, their stuff is great. But the History Channel or the "Science" Channel? Since when did "reality" programs become part of history or science? And if I see one more night-vision camera "Ghost Hunter", I am gonna puke. I know it's a sci-fi channel show, but the Science Channel are doing shows that are uncomfortably close.

And Science Channel documentaries? They treat me like I am a six year old! The History Channel documentaries are even worse!

Smithsonian Channel documentaries are actually quite good.

2. "Reality" shows. ESPECIALLY shows like "repo" this or "repo" that.

Ok, for anyone that actually believes that such shows are "reality", let me give ya a "heads up".....

Doesn't it actually occur to anyone that watches these programs and believes them that you are being taken for an incompetent fool?

For a start, NOTHING that happens on a program can happen unless it has a "release". Otherwise, it can't be broadcast.

And so, we, the viewing public, are expected to believe that EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE COMPLETE IDIOTS has acted in some way naturally, impulsively, idiotically and worse, has given PERMISSION for it to be shown........?

Hmmmmm? Are you getting it people? The feeling that "reality" is not actually "reality"? That stunts are contrived and that the people are willing participants? Has the penny dropped yet?

The "repo" shows are the worst now. The show that started this awful, contrived crap was "Cheaters", a show that is even a joke here in the United States.

And to think this all probably started because of a writers strike 20 years ago.


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Tue 8 Jan 13 #29 
sally906
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I have to confess that I really dislike American Documentaries. Not because they don't give good information but because in an hours worth of show there is maybe 15, 20 minutes of information. The rest is tedious repetition after each ad break the information given so far is repeated and then the last few minutes before the next ad break has something new. It drives me nuts!

Reality shows are different - I don't care what part of the world they are from they are stupid, senseless and I often just don't get it. What IS the point of Big Brother, marry a millionaire, that desert island one where the last person left standing is the winner (hunger games anyone?). I caught a couple of people watching a show on the tv in the lunchroom a few weeks back, Temptation Island it was called. In it couples go to two different islands and each of them are tempted to cheat on the other. The cheating event is filmed and shown to the other person and they are asked how they feel about the love of their life kissing someone else. naturally they are upset. WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?

Contrived? Well I think the 'contestants' are carefully chosen for their stupidity or heartlessness - maybe both.


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Tue 8 Jan 13 #30 
Ajax
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And surely there is more to history than Hitler.


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Tue 8 Jan 13 #31 
JMK
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Godwin's law springs to mind.


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Tue 8 Jan 13 #32 
jackson
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i'd assume the reality shows are either scripted or just hamming it up on camera. don't care for any of that. it's embecilic at best. (guess that's a word)
i'd have to admit there are few documentaries i care for here anymore. true, there seems to be no end to the fascination with hitler. still the science programs that probe the universe, some other science programs & more like the occasional history program i still find watchable. Too much time is devoted
to the ancient alien theories (maybe possible but it's all speculation, with no real
chance of ever proving any of it) i.e. 'crap', much like all the ghost stuff. juvenile
& pointless. most tv is drivel & just a distraction from doing more important things, like anything creative.


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Tue 8 Jan 13 #33 
kevg
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nowt wrong with programmes about Hitler cos that means it's about WWII, my favourite subject. I could watch them all day, and frequently do. Happy to discuss any aspect, political, strategy, personalities, whatever. Do feel free to engage me in meaningful discussion, all questions answered.


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Wed 9 Jan 13 #34 
Ajax
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Pass.


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Wed 9 Jan 13 #35 
kevg
The Grumpinator

wimp, I'm also good at Mongol invasions ?? of China ??


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Wed 9 Jan 13 #36 
Ajax
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You had me at wimp.


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Wed 9 Jan 13 #37 
Proofreader
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Well, I had not heard of Godwin's Law...looked it up...thank you JMK....you just never know what you might learn in Factaland!!! Could a corollary apply to Facta threads??


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Wed 9 Jan 13 #38 
kevg
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was Kublai not Ghengis who unified China !! got your interest chaps ??


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Wed 9 Jan 13 #39 
Ajax
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Yes, Proofie. I looked it up too. But we didn't compare anyone to Hitler yet, just I said that documentaries are all about Hitler and nothing much else. So far we are safe. :)

Kevg, a good start.


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Wed 9 Jan 13 #40 
Sammi
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You know what cheeses me off?

Public restrooms that don't have a hook on the wall for your purse. For cereal, where are you supposed to put it? Bathrooms are so gross >_<


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Wed 9 Jan 13 #41 
JMK
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With you on that one Sammi.


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Thu 10 Jan 13 #42 
Honey Badger
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Yes, that is for sure, plus I do not want to open the main door of the rest room after I have washed my hands unless I hold it with a paper towel. So why don't they put a waste basket next to the door? If there is none I just toss it in the general direction.

I do not like those idiotic Sasquatch shows and the paranormal garbage at all. I especially HATE them because that is all and I do mean ALL my sister watches plus a bit of Oprah and Dr. Phil, (Gag) and the documentaries are largely needing to be watched with a great deal of suspicion. The Smithsonian Channel is probaly the best of the channels and as I said before, the History Channel has plenty of crapola inserted. The Hitler thing should be played over and over again so we don't ever see some megalomaniac like him enthral an entire nation and create havoc again. That is on the Military Channel and I watch it often. It also has excellent WWI shows. That doesn't bother me at all. The Repo Show I spoke of is amusing only because it is so idiotic! Sometimes it is fun watching fools. You know.....it's like having a chat with Kev. Kev, Geghis was a great conqueror, and whoever said he unified China??? Do tell us about Chairman Kublai. Also, as soon as a so-called science show about anything asks more questions than it gives answers for is turned off as soon as I know that's the direction it is taking.


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Thu 10 Jan 13 #43 
jmaxg
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Actually, there is this thing about Hitler.

A couple of years back, there was a post in this site that conjectured that unless you were there next to a Nazi officer that was releasing Zyklon B into a chamber, you could not verify that such executions took place.

I reacted quickly and vehemently citing the evidence of the Wannsee Conference and the extraordinarily exact records kept by all concentration camps expected to respond.....all which fell into the hands of Allied Forces and became part of the basis for the Nuremberg court hearings.

My point is that yes, we should keep talking about Hitler. That is, in fact, a good thing. As a friend once told me, the reason for "history" is that we should be continually reminded of it.

Now, the Mayans.....? The actual reason for all this drama is because the Mayan calendar ran out on 21/12/2012.

Sorry about all the devious stuff, but that was made up afterword.

Ya know the silliest thing? Nothing happened beyond 21/12/21012 because the Mayans simply could not calculate past that point.

I know! Stoopid, huh? The Mayans had an "end date" simply because their version of mathematics didn't go any further.

Of course, that part was never made obvious.

Here's a tip.......the next time a mate cites some big planned date based on some long dead culture, question their drug usage.


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Thu 10 Jan 13 #44 
jmaxg
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You know what cheeses me off?

Rice filtered beer.

The biggest beer companies in this country (The USA) own miles and miles of rice paddies.

The first commandment of brewing beer? NEVER use rice to filter your beer.

Every company in the length and breadth of the USA doesn't give a rat's arse about how to make real beer.

I am in living hell.


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Thu 10 Jan 13 #45 
Doctor Factenstein
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The Mayans certainly could calculate further than 21/12/2012.

They actually had a system which used three calendars. One was used for day to day purposes and actually had a cycle of something like 210 days. Then there was the official one which was roughly equivalent to ours today.

Those two calendars started on the same day every 50-something years and that period was considered to be a significant one. However, they recognised that they were missing a way of putting a date on things that happened outside that 50-something year period. If we were using that two calendar system today, we'd be able to talk about 1979 but we'd have no way to describe when World War II started.

So, they had a larger scale calendar which spanned a much larger time scale to handle this. Once they'd got to the end of it they'd just go back to the beginning, though, with a note on the date to say that it was the 2nd cycle of that calendar. In this way, the three calendar system is good for another 37 million years or so.

They didn't think the world was going to end last month any more than I think that it's going to end on December 31st because that's as far as my Hello Kitty calendar goes.

Don't knock Mayan mathematics either. Smart bunch. Their only problem was that they picked a base-20 system - which isn't as easy to work with as the base-10 that we use.


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Thu 10 Jan 13 #46 
kevg
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Documetaries that talk about kilometres. We use miles, Yanks use miles so why do they talk about kilometres !! I know it sounds better and faster but nobody who watches it uses kilometres (except Aussies and who cares about them)


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Thu 10 Jan 13 #47 
Doctor Factenstein
Evil Genius

Kilometres are more sciencey, y'know.


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Thu 10 Jan 13 #48 
Ajax
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Because the documentaries are ALL about Hitler, and Europe uses kilometres.


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Thu 10 Jan 13 #49 
JMK
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And Kiwis use kms and everybody cares about them :)


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Thu 10 Jan 13 #50 
sally906
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I did read somewhere that more countries use kilometres than miles.

Have to confess I still use miles in conversation. Like if I want to exaggerate distance I will whine but it is miiiiles away - rather than in it kilometres away!

Must be a kick back to my pommy upbringing.

Yes JMK everyone loves Kiwis - and everyone bar the grump there loves Aussies - cos we are all nice an unpretentious :)


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Fri 11 Jan 13 #51 
Ajax
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Only 3 countries use Imperial measurements officially. Oh, the irony. :D

In common speech, we always say someone is something foot something. We don't usually say 184cm, eyes of blue.


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Fri 11 Jan 13 #52 
Sammi
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Lol when I was in Guatemala a few years ago one of the people I was with actually asked one of our Mayan tour guides if the world was gonna end in 2012 and he said no.

Apparently some Mayans believed that the end of the calendar just signifies, not an end, but a spiritual "Enlightenment". A new beginning of a time of spiritual, scientific, or cultural advancement.

He said even that's not believed by all that have been raised in the Mayan culture and studied it.


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Sat 12 Jan 13 #53 
jmaxg
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Ahhhh! That explains it!

Nope. Still not feeling it.

Are you sure it's not just because the calender just ran out?

I mean, that's the awesome difference between the Mayan, Julian and Gregorian calenders........two of them don't have an end date.......or a "restart".

"End of days" or "spiritual restart" or whatever. I cannot get over the fact that the Mayans had a "last day".

Just seems dopey to me. Besides, being "born again" is more a personal call, ain't it?


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Sat 12 Jan 13 #54 
Ajax
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What cheeses me orff? I am thin. Ish. I look underweight but I'm not. It's just because everyone around me is too fat. That's not the point. The point is....

I have too many fat person's diseases and my friend who is overweight has none. I have constant recurring gallstones, I'm prediabetic, and I have sleep apnoea. I use a CPAP machine. I'm 47 years old, and the human body is only designed to last 45 years, but this is ridiculous.

I'm pretty dirty about this. If I get a thin person's disease I'm going to be so pissed off!

This is what went through my mind last night as I put that fool mask on when I was going to sleep.


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Sat 12 Jan 13 #55 
jmaxg
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Ya know, when we faced with the "sleep clinic" which we knew inevitably would have resulted in CPAP, we turned to each other, me and Java, and just refused.

Now, my babe does snore very loudly. And yes, she does those "holding the breath" things.

But in the winter, when we cuddle, she doesn't do that.

Another thing that helped me and I think, us......I no longer drink coffee. I just drink tea. I think I am hyper-allergenic to caffeine.

(yes, I know that tea is caffeinated. But a tea bag cannot compare to that coming out of a coffee bean......a fact of life)

How does that help me? I am less sensitive to everything around me, including sounds........specifically her sounds at night time.

I used to try to nap in the middle of the afternoon and my heart felt like it was leaping out of my chest. The fact that I might be hyper- sensitive to caffeine took me many years to figure out. That might be a lesson to others.

The result? I now turn over, close my eyes and go to sleep. My darling Java chortles and I cuddle closer.

I could be wrong and maybe sleep apnea will over come her one day. But I'm doubtin' it.

Anyway, when I go to sleep now, she is serenading me.


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Sat 12 Jan 13 #56 
jmaxg
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I'd just like to, at this time, refer all readers back to Post#45.

At this point, I demand kudos for Doc. Factenstein.

Ok...that was a bluff.

The problem with Post#45 is obvious.........math aside, there is a time to say "Oops!"

The point of the mistaken observation of calculation with Mayan culture is noted. But your point is what precisely?

All I said is that the Mayan calender went nowhere. You clarified that it did to the point of 16 million years. Your point being?

The Julian and Gregorian calenders are still doing quite nicely.


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Sat 12 Jan 13 #57 
Ajax
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Well, jmaxg, you will be able to live The Notebook when Alzheimer's kicks in from Java' s lack of oxygen to the brain. That is sweet and romantic. :)

I'm feeling better now, thanks to Allan, because I have a glass of fine cheap wine and I'm watching my Barry Manilow DVD. He's the consummate entertainer. He's milking the audience, more or less literally.


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Sat 12 Jan 13 #58 
jmaxg
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Hopefully I will be in Australia in a few years then because it is, flat out, a better place. It's called dreaming.

And hopefully the Chicago Commission will forgive my lack of contact.

But I like to be reminded by you guys of what it is I am missing.

I have criticized the Australian people and I might pay for that one day.....I know that.

But the place itself? The actual dimension of Australia and what it means to me? The place itself?

Everything.......just everything and I don't give a crap what anyone thinks.

You have to be away from Australia to work that out.


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Sat 12 Jan 13 #59 
Honey Badger
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Ajax, you need fat to keep that brain smart. Reallly, you do. Eat meat and fat. You are fine. Don't sweat it. I have to run. I am too busy this week to get anything done. I am boltin out to go to Florida to visit a few friends and my niece.


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Sun 13 Jan 13 #60 
Java
Factactrix

What cheeses me off?

* Reality TV - there is no such thing and the networks are overloaded with it.
* People who tell me 'you shouldn't drink so much coffee' not realizing that if I don't have that cup in my hand, my hand will be used as a weapon against them.
* The woman who told me that the makeup she's wearing changes her DNA in order for her to look younger. When I advised her that there are certain things in the world that do change your DNA and they usually lead to death not youth, she didn't appreciate my information too much.
* I'm the only HR Director. The only person in HR in the corporation. Why ask if I'm HR? Sometimes I actually reply that HR stands for 'Human Remains'.
* Restaurants that throw cheese on everything.
*Husbands who reveal my snoring and then commenting on the probability that I will pass away because of sleep apnea. Remember I live to continuously torture you in numerous ways.
* I have gray hair that has grown in a 'Lily Munster' way. People keep asking if I want to dye it. No - it is a badge of honor.
*The 'gotta be young and thin' message that is constantly hammered at everyone. If you're young and thin, great! But that will change over time - immortality only exists if you're a McDonalds hamburger or a Twinkie. But don't suggest that as a woman over 50 that I need to look young and thin in order to be happy. I have no intention of squeezing into skinny jeans or platform high heels --- I already lived through the age of Disco.


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Sun 13 Jan 13 #61 
Ajax
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Ha! Igot the Lily Munster streak too!


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Sun 13 Jan 13 #62 
Doctor Factenstein
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My point, jmaxg, was that when you said "Now, the Mayans.....? The actual reason for all this drama is because the Mayan calendar ran out on 21/12/2012."

It didn't.

You also said "Nothing happened beyond 21/12/21012 because the Mayans simply could not calculate past that point."

They could.

You also said that all you said was that "the Mayan calender went nowhere."

You didn't say that at all.

You said there's a time to say "oops" too. I'd agree with that bit.


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Sun 13 Jan 13 #63 
Honey Badger
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I hate chicken. Why does everyone have to put chicken on everything? It's disgusing unless it is roasted carefully and basted and served up as Sunday dinner. I don't like a hunk of chicken thrown on my salad or fried up and served on a hamburger bun. That is a really irritating thing to me and I hate it.

I hate when anyone tells me to do or not do anything, too, Java. If I were you with that coffee in hand I would toss it all over her and say "Whoops! Must have been coffee nerves!" If it scalded her so much the better!


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Mon 14 Jan 13 #64 
Knitwitty
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Probably the Mayan calendar was disc 1 ... you know like K-Tel 6 disc set of the 70's... the Spaniards probably melted down the other 5 and the Pope is wearing them in a necklace...

Now what cheeses me off is the religion of science which is as dogmatic and know it all as the other religions we have to suffer... youngsters with brilliant ideas and open minds closed one by one by a scientist that says 'oh no, you can't do that it's not possible some dead bloke said it couldn't be done years ago and he was proper clever and everything... don't think for yourself just believe what we tell you... don't want any discoveries here that'll rock our world view'

Oh and historians who know it all... ignore anything that doesn't fit in with their 'religion'... youngsters with briliant ideas and open minds closed one by one by a historina that says 'oh no, you....


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Mon 14 Jan 13 #65 
Ajax
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People who whine about their symptoms but never go to the doctor. If my husband has a headache he gets zero sympathy if he hasn't bothered taking some pills for it.

People who use any online discussion to diarise their bowel motions for the past 10 years. Also, in real life if you ask how they are and you get verbal poo diary.

Also people who tell you ALL about their sex life with or without descriptions of their vagina and its malfunction. Why would you tell that to someone? Do I look like I need to be shocked and/or horrified?

People who, if you mention you are allergic to cats, list everything their kids are allergic to. I mean, really, why?

People who believe that fruit juice has mystical properties.

People who confuse having read an article in the Women's Weekly with having a medical degree.

Cyberchondriacs.

I would say that is all, but it is merely a small portion of what shits me.


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Wed 16 Jan 13 #66 
jmaxg
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Hey Doc......"Oops!"

We cool now?

Actually, it should be acknowledged that it is a misinterpretation of the Mayans that has led to this.......the whole "2012 - end of the world" thing.

I knew that ages ago.


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Wed 16 Jan 13 #67 
jmaxg
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I maintain my position that Lily Munster (Yvonne De Carlo) was not just sexy, she was awesomely sexy........especially her hair colour.

:-)


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Wed 16 Jan 13 #68 
kevg
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You keep your hands off my girl !!


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Wed 16 Jan 13 #69 
jmaxg
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Knitwitty, with all due respect....

A little while ago, I saw a viral video where some guy, who was pretty good with graphics and editing and terrible at narrating, was absolutely horrible at listening or reading.

Any, he made this big vid challenging what he perceived was the cosmologist view of a gravity based universe. Only he was wrong. Cosmologists never said that. Particularly with thermodynamics and electromagnetism being so essential to any equation.

This guy's model of a completely electromagnetic based universe was completely flawed and obviously so with no reference to the weak and strong nuclear force at the subatomic level and no allowance for the proven concept of quantum mechanics.

I guess, what cheeses me off, is how people that don't accept science, attack science.

The point about science is that it is better than any other discipline or philosophy because of one valid and irrefutable point.....

What Science says is repeatable and provable. What everything else says is not.

Now, if you have a problem with that, I would respectfully suggest the problem is personal rather than anything recordable.


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Wed 16 Jan 13 #70 
Sammi
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Preach, jmax....and it cheeses me off when non-scientists dispute scientists about the scientists' own field! IT IS THEIR JOB TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS SUBJECT THAN YOUUUUU.


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Wed 16 Jan 13 #71 
Knitwitty
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A quote "Scientific theory, more often than not, is born of bold assumption, disparate bits of unconnected evidence, and educated leaps of faith. Some of the most potent beliefs among brilliant minds are based on supposition alone -- yet that is enough to push those minds toward making the theory viable."

Nice to see the art of seeing what you wish to see is still strong for those of a more dogmatic nature... scientifically provable by the number of times a point is missed in their haste to impress.

p.s. I'm not deaf, YOU DON'T NEED TO SHOUT... uneducated or unable to read a whole book; not just a summary of a critic... but thank you for thinking I am... sad times :o(


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Thu 17 Jan 13 #72 
Sammi
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Oh I wasn't aiming at you knit, sorry :) I was more thinking of the folks I work with.


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Fri 18 Jan 13 #73 
jmaxg
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Please excuse our Sammi, Knitty. She is part of a rare breed......young'uns that tolerate us old farts. But please remember that Sammi has given this site years of active participation and has only just returned after a long period of study and putting up with collegiate associates and their whacky ways.

She obviously likes us and I for one think that is great.

I like to think that our beloved site attracts intellect of all ages and I am glad to be reminded that it does from time to time because of members like Sammi, and Mimoza and Kristian. I hope that the demographic expands in the future. Kids are just plain wiser than we ever were back then. Maybe not more knowledgeable, but more experienced than us surely. Glad to see her back.

As for your quote.....

Please understand, again respectfully, that one should be prudent when using the term "theory". It has two different inferences depending on how it is applied.

In the general sense, a "theory" is any sort of situation one conjures up that which attempts to tie up any series of occurrences or events into a simple statement or utterance.

In the scientific sense, it is a hypothesis that graduated to the level of theory due to the support of evidence gained by experimentation, observation and careful measurement, all of which MUST be classified as repeatable AND confirmable.

That is why science is a discipline rather than a religion or a philosophy.


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Fri 18 Jan 13 #74 
jmaxg
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Oh, by the way, we have been countered in another forum.

I related the story put forward in The Matrix about how eternal happiness caused crops to fail and people starved, but they think they know better.

Anyway, I think it's cool.......it goes both ways.


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Fri 18 Jan 13 #75 
Knitwitty
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Sammi is full of the fire and passion that I admire and this grumpy old witch is officially apologising for being thus to her... but you jmaxg sheesh... leave religion and philosphy out of the equation... I'm talking about science and when a youngster queries an old gumudgeon of a lecturer he smashes them publicly into the ground... dons who steal ideas and use them as their own... old timers in the science industry who say... something can't be done because laws say we can't even when something blatently can.... curiosity is something we all have but when elders squash it grrrrr.... I'm off to What makes me happy :o)

p.s. isn't this conversation strand now closed as someone mentioned Hitler... sure the 'law' is that the debate ends when someone (other than Kev who can drop his name into a conversation about kittens) mentions Hitler?!


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Fri 18 Jan 13 #76 
jmaxg
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Ok, I am gonna take a punt here.....

Let's give Knitwitty 24 hours to see if she wants to change her post.

I may be wrong, but it seemed a little "dwunky".


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Fri 18 Jan 13 #77 
JMK
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Sounded fine to me.


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Fri 18 Jan 13 #78 
jmaxg
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Ok.......fine.......it stands as is.


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Fri 18 Jan 13 #79 
Doctor Factenstein
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There's definitely a cult of science amongst some and I'd agree with Knitwitty that it's not a good thing.

Science should be about keeping your eyes open and sharing information that's our best understanding of the universe at present - not about following blindly and seeing any challenge as an affront.

Of course, there are different sorts of challenges to scientific understanding. Some come from educated people in the field who have an alternative theory. Others come from idiots who don't know the first thing about what they're challenging.

To criticise something I think you need to understand what it's saying in the first place.


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Fri 18 Jan 13 #80 
jmaxg
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No, there are not all sorts of "challenges".

There is no airy-fairy wavering either way. Ever since the 1500s and Johannes Kepler, the science tradition has always been as follows:

* Observe
* Hypothesise
* Experiment and collect data
* Theorise

That's what science does. And every theory of science is right. So beat that with a stick!

I don't exactly get what Doctor Factenstein is saying. So maybe ignoring is a good idea.


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Fri 18 Jan 13 #81 
JMK
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If no-one had challenged the scientists we would still be believing that the sun revolved around the Earth and that the world is flat.

We should never squash intelligent discussion and questioning.


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Fri 18 Jan 13 #82 
Ajax
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Theory isn't fact.


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Fri 18 Jan 13 #83 
jmaxg
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FINALLY!

Yes Ajax......theory is NOT fact. But in the scientific sense, it's pretty close.

Kepler's laws of planetary mechanics said, in theory, we could get to the Moon. We got to the Moon. Kepler wrote those in the 1500s.

Dimitri Mendeleev postured about the periodic table. He not only did that, he invented rules that allowed for as yet, unknown elements and STATED the structure of those elements before they were found. Was he right? Check it out.

It is true that scientific theory is not fact. But that theory makes us go places.

EVERY wide-screen TV currently working could not be doing so without the theory of Quantum Mechanics.

Quantum Mechanics is regarded by some as a philosophy. Ok, fine, then let's just remove all those 50" TVs.

If ya wanna go the old "theory isn't theory" road, then fine. But just remember this one thing......going by average, you will lose.


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Fri 18 Jan 13 #84 
Doctor Factenstein
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What I was saying jmaxg, is that there are challenges from a scientific angle and challenges from lay people who just decide, without any basis, that a scientific theory is wrong.

And there are all sorts of challenges in between.

Like I said - to criticise something, you need to understand it first.


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Fri 18 Jan 13 #85 
kevg
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Did I ever mention that Hitler's last meal was lightly roasted kitten ??


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Fri 18 Jan 13 #86 
Ajax
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Theory is theory. Once it is fact, you no longer get an opinion. Before that you get an opinion but still have a chance to look like a dick.


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Fri 18 Jan 13 #87 
Honey Badger
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Amen to that, Ajax. I wrote a paper once on the malleability of fact and the professor missed the point entirely and let me rewrite the paper. The fact is that even FACT can be interpreteted in many different ways. It is true that "facts" seem true but......are they? Are they always? Or are they considered true until an better set of figures and information appears to dispel the so-called "Facts" of today. Think it over before you reject this.


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Fri 18 Jan 13 #88 
Ajax
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If it can change it isn't a fact.

If I cut off my head (and those are the only variables) I will die. That's a fact. If I attempt to dispute that I will look like a dick. This is Ajax's Law. ;) if it isn't a fact, then it very well may change.

Yes. Facts are always facts. That's why they are called facts. If they weren't they'd be called something else.


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Fri 18 Jan 13 #89 
Doctor Factenstein
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Yup. Facts are always true. That's an axiom, right there.

It's certainly true that facts can be interpreted differently though.


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Fri 18 Jan 13 #90 
Honey Badger
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Facts can't change but they can be interpreted. Take a look at statistics and then tell me they can't. What Stu said.......

(Please don't cut off you head, Ajax.)


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Fri 18 Jan 13 #91 
Ajax
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Statistics are a collection of observations or facts really.

Doc, give me an example of how a fact can be interpreted more than one way, just so I can get my head around it. I have tried to think of one but come up blank.

The irony of defining fact on Factacular is not lost on me. :D


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Sat 19 Jan 13 #92 
kevg
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It is a fact that some people would say "I am always right" and mean it. Does that make it a fact ??


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Sat 19 Jan 13 #93 
Ajax
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The fact is that they said it.


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Sat 19 Jan 13 #94 
Ajax
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Im really enjoying this discussion, as I head into my first year of my science degree. Someone might even convince me to drop out.


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Sat 19 Jan 13 #95 
Doctor Factenstein
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The sun appears in the East, rises and passes overhead and then sets in the West.

That's a fact.

At one point it was interpreted as evidence that the sun went around the earth. These days we see it differently.


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Sat 19 Jan 13 #96 
Doctor Factenstein
Evil Genius

And yes, statistics are a series of observations (which may or may not be facts depending on the accuracy of the measurements).

The issue with statistics isn't with the data itself as it is in the way they're interpreted. Population samples are interpreted in order to draw conclusions about the population as a whole, correlations between variables in data are observed and incorrectly reported as causal etc.

Stats is much and unfairly maligned. Generally though it's by people who don't understand statistics who're passing judgment on the false representation of stats in the media.


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Sat 19 Jan 13 #97 
Ajax
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Oh OK. I didn't realise you meant interpreted over time. I would call that an observation and I would call a fact something indisputable. Semantics. Or maybe I'm just wrong.


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Sat 19 Jan 13 #98 
Doctor Factenstein
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Well, at one point there were two contemporary interpretations of the movement of the sun.


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Sat 19 Jan 13 #99 
Ajax
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Neither of them proven. So they were opinions, eh? :)


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Sat 19 Jan 13 #100 
Ajax
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Actually, what I am trying to say, and not very well, is this.

"The sun appears in the East, rises and passes overhead and then sets in the West.

That's a fact. "

True. That part is not open to interpretation. Saying that the sun rises in the west would be folly.

The how and why are open to hypothesis until proven. That's the time for having an opinion. But not on the fact part.

Am I making more sense?


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Sat 19 Jan 13 #101 
Honey Badger
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I will try to make sense of this to you in the morning but I am too tired to do so now, Ajax. I still am sticking to my premise. Even if I can't type. I don't think I would have used Stu's example of the sun but I will clarify in my AM. Good night. I am exhausted.


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Sun 20 Jan 13 #102 
Ajax
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Come on HB, I need to go to the toilet but the suspense is killing me.


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Mon 21 Jan 13 #103 
jmaxg
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What cheese me off is when ordinary people don't know the difference between "truth" and "fact".

It's actually vital that ordinary folks know the difference.

For instance, many people trust somebody. They trust that the information received from Point A to Point B is "true". But is it? That is another question.

At its basic level, the concept is quite easy. Even at the sociological level, a "truth" is that which is believed by an individual regardless of supporting evidence. We all do it, even scientists, but all that means is that we are less than appropriately disciplined.

A fact however, is that supported by evidence recorded in some way that could be called irrefutable. That evidence has to be robust enough so as to not be subject to interpretation.

For instance, the fact that the sky is blue is not because "air" is blue in the normal spectrum. It is because the 78% of Earth's atmosphere that is nitrogen hues "blue" when struck by normal light from the sun. Such a condition is irrefutable because it can be proven in a laboratory under clinical conditions.

When the concept of the "fact" is challenged, it is usually because those who feel challenged by the concept are simply not happy with the implications, whatever they may be.

But that does not change the status of what a fact is. That just says that whoever it is that challenges it, regardless of the inference that they have exploited and used "facts" all their life, choose to do so based on thought elements relating to selfish considerations. It has nothing to do with the wider scope of what facts are and how we can apply them effectively.

The bottom line is, I guess, that a "truth" is that which is fully believed by one person, and then exploited by many others if useful enough if it forwards their agenda.

Whereas a "fact" is just that........irrefutable and undeniable.....not subject to discussion. Just something worth pointing out.


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Mon 21 Jan 13 #104 
JMK
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While understand the point you are trying to make I would dispute your definition of "truth". What you are describing are beliefs, not truths. The following definitions of truth would seem at odds with what you are saying:

1. the state of being the case : fact
2. the body of real things, events, and facts : actuality
3. That which is true or in accordance with fact or reality

There was one definition I found which fits with what you are saying:
a fact or belief that is accepted as true

So I guess it does depend how you define truth.

Your point is a valid one however. There are plenty of so-called "facts" that many people accept as correct which are in fact incorrect.


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Mon 21 Jan 13 #105 
jmaxg
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It seems that you don't get the concept.

I said "truths"........those statements and beliefs accepted by a person to the extent that they are accepted as "fact".

The problem is, it is truth to them, not necessarily a "fact".

I knew what I was saying.......thanks anyway.


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Mon 21 Jan 13 #106 
Ajax
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You know, like one man's truth is another man's light bulb joke.


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Mon 21 Jan 13 #107 
jmaxg
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Ok...so I tried to define BETTER than that.

"1. the state of being the case : fact
2. the body of real things, events, and facts : actuality
3. That which is true or in accordance with fact or reality"

I actually thought I defined better than that. I think I achieved it.


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Mon 21 Jan 13 #108 
Ajax
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Truth is subjective.


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Mon 21 Jan 13 #109 
sally906
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Is truth the victim?


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Wed 23 Jan 13 #110 
Ajax
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Just filling in time while I wait.

"Pregnant man gives birth. That's a fact." Name that movie to win nothing.


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Wed 23 Jan 13 #111 
Doctor Factenstein
Evil Genius

Sounds a bit like Brenda Fricker reading from the trashy newspaper in So, I Married An Ax Murderer...

Close?


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Wed 23 Jan 13 #112 
Ajax
Contributor

You win nothing.


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Wed 23 Jan 13 #113 
Honey Badger
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Truth is in love. lol I can't do anything today. Too much pain. Sorry. I will write that and jmaxc, just because you are Speedy Gonzales on throwing answers around, it doesn't count for squat! NoT SQUAT. I had to repeat that because it just sounded so right. lol

BINGO! JMK! Thank you! I will be here with good thing for you to read but I had a bad ass headache all day so you will have to wait AND I have a bunch of problems with a fool insurance adjuster from another state who lost a large number of reciepts and decided that our flood damage should be reimbursed in the amount of X + $20,000 when we have already paid MORE than that out of pocket just to get back in here. I called a lawyer. I should have left the electric ruined in salt water and turned something on and gone out. I told this to the insurance agaency. Then they could have paid me for the FULL replacement cost of the house burned down. It is a disgrace when you pay insurance on a house for 28 years and the first claim you make tou are turned down. YES! I AM FURIOUS!


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Wed 23 Jan 13 #114 
Honey Badger
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I DID NOT WRITE THAT TRUTH IS IN LOVE! If I did I was a WHOLE lot sicker than I thought I was.


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Wed 23 Jan 13 #115 
JMK
Editor

Well it sure looks like you wrote that.


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Thu 24 Jan 13 #116 
jmaxg
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Well, again, I state "truth" is that which is believed. Not necessarily proven.

The relationship of truth to fact is another story. That is up to the individual and their own reconciliation of truth and fact.

As we know, some when faced with fact, turn away. It's unfortunate but it does happen.....too much.

But that has never changed what a fact is. That is just a reflection on the person that refuses to accept what a fact is.

I would be remiss, at this point, not to point out that my hero of history is Johannes Kepler.

A man who held a devout religious truth, perhaps closer than many others, and who gave up that truth to formulate and deliver an astounding milestone in human history in 1609 and finally in 1619.

After one day of inspiration, Kepler tried to solve the mystery of the solar system using the concept of Euclid's Solids thinking that their perfection was reading the mind of God. After years of forlorn progress in making it work, he was introduced to the data of Tycho Brahe and what followed was more years of dogged methodological approach and revision of his original thinking. It resulted in the following....

Kepler's Three Laws of Planetary Mechanics

The point being that even though his inspiration was the seeking of his "truth", the result was a combination of mind and fact that became the first "laws" of science, ever. And those laws where not even about things we could prove at that time (the 1600s) yet those laws exist to this day and will till the end of time.

As Tom Hanks playing Jim Lovell said in "Apollo 13", "...Newton is in the driver's seat.".

That maybe true, but Kepler gave you the "Point A to Point B"......literally from the Earth to the Moon.


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Thu 24 Jan 13 #117 
kevg
The Grumpinator

You lot should really get something better to do !!


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Thu 24 Jan 13 #118 
jmaxg
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Speaking of knowing the difference between truth and fact.....

"In The Name Of The Father" is on the current free movie on demand list.

I wonder if I should watch that again?


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Thu 24 Jan 13 #119 
kevg
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you are trying to wind me up aren't you !!


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Thu 24 Jan 13 #120 
jmaxg
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Me? Nahhhhhhh.


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Thu 24 Jan 13 #121 
Lucy
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"Rabbit Test" ?


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Sun 27 Jan 13 #122 
jmaxg
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What cheeses me off is Phelim McAleer. A Welsh guy that makes documentaries that counter other documentaries like Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth".

What pisses me off is that he is not always up front about why he is making those documentaries.

I am not saying his points are not valid, albeit specific and carefully controlled.

But he is disingenuous with regard to his personal scope, origin and agenda.


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Sun 27 Jan 13 #123 
Doctor Factenstein
Evil Genius

He's not Welsh, he's from Northern Ireland.

Which explains the exceedingly Irish name!


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Wed 30 Jan 13 #124 
jmaxg
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Oops.


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Wed 30 Jan 13 #125 
jmaxg
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He is like you with regard to "fracking" Stu. His "Fracknation" documentary was shown over here recently.


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Wed 30 Jan 13 #126 
Doctor Factenstein
Evil Genius

Like me with regard to "fracking"?

I'm opposed to fracking in areas near population centres (which pretty much includes anywhere in the UK) and also opposed to the use of any propping agents which may enter the drinking supply.

Good to know people are making films to back me up.


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Wed 30 Jan 13 #127 
USS Palladin
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Hard call on fracking, nice to be able to use natural gas as it burns cleaner but the contamination of water supplies is a big bugaboo.
I don't think the pumping of sand down the hole is going to hurt the water supply but do they really have to use that many chemicals?
You see those videos of homes near fracking sites turning on their faucets and being able to light the water on fire, it sure makes you want to take a step back.
Yet we need energy, nuclear is the next most "green" option I suppose other than wind and solar which by themselves will never be able to supply all the need for an increasingly electrified world.


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Wed 30 Jan 13 #128 
kevg
The Grumpinator

Yayyy Go Nuclear !!!


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Fri 1 Feb 13 #129 
jmaxg
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Here's the thing on "fracking". And this I found out recently...

It's true that it's been done for something like 60 years now. To forge a tunnel down vertically or maybe slightly angled and then force agents into shale in order for that shale to release hidden natural gas deposits.

For the majority of those 60 years, the forcing of agents to produce the gas has been done laterally. In other words, the drilling has been straight down with forced agents going left and right.

In the last ten years, "fracking" has changed in that drilling goes down to a certain depth and then does a 90 degree turn and runs perpendicular to the surface, albeit many hundreds of feet deep. The forcing agents are now released vertically.......or more correctly, up.

So that is the difference between the original 60 years and the last 10 years.

Now, does that change anything? Possibly. The "flaming faucets" people from "Gasland" claimed their water was coming from wells. Common sense may tell one that fracking "up" as opposed to "left and right" might cause micro-fractures to go all the way to the water table which would tend to support their claims.

But the part that worries me the most is that energy companies are not exactly forthcoming about their process.

Now, Phelim McAleer did go to great lengths in "Fracknation" to get scientists to state that using chemicals in a process may not necessarily mean they are carcinogenic. In fact, the scientist stated that ANYTHING might be considered a carcinogenic.....a head of cabbage even.......if the constituent properties were stated in large enough quantities.

Well, that could be used anyway you wanted. A cesspool could be considered safe enough to drink from if you lessened certain constituent properties.

The interesting thing is, Mr. McAleer did not properly answer the question he proposed.


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Tue 12 Feb 13 #130 
jmaxg
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What cheeses me off is....

Fuel prices!

In America, one facility (presumably belonging to just one company) has a fit and that means ALL prices go up.

I know I am unsophisticated, but can someone please tell me why one company stuffing up means ALL fuel prices must go up?

Or is this some complicated form of price gouging?




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Tue 12 Feb 13 #131 
JMK
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Happens here too. The main companies keep their prices the same. One puts them up and within a few days they all go up.




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Tue 12 Feb 13 #132 
USS Palladin
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Hmm...doesn't drilling usually go perpendicular to the surface unless they are angling the well?'

I thought in fracking they drilled perpendicular to the shale then turned horizontal or parallel to the surface and then they force water, sand and chemicals into those horizontal canals to cause cracks which allow the gas and fluids to be released and flow back down the horizontal canal.

Gotta decide folks, there are many parts of fracking that are not to like but natural gas burns cleaner, we still want oil and solar and wind and wave can't possibly supply this world. More nukes?

Why can't the frack without the chemicals? Just the high pressure water and sand.

Does anybody else find it hard to find unbiased discussion on this topic. I Google it and all I get is stuff from oil companies or environmentalists, anybody just sat down and look at the pros and cons?




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Tue 12 Feb 13 #133 
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The whole thing about truth and facts was explained really well by JMK. Even jmax contributed some excellent points.  Of course there are facts which cannot be chaged such as Syu's example of the Sun rising in the East and settig in the west.  That is indisputable for now, at least.  Who knows what cosmic changes are in store for us?  I just think that the explanation given by JMK was excellent and a true refelection of what I believe.

 

As far as fracking foes in the US I agree with Pall:  Why can't it be done without chemicals?  It seems uneccesary if they have high presure water.  We need to regain energy independence here and all countries need to d the same.  Why aren't there places in the oceans where there is tremendous power.....The Bay of Fundy in Canada comes to mind.  Surely some of that huge amount of tidal power could be harnessed and used.  OK, we can buy from Canada.  They are still friends, right?  Let's get out of the Middle East.  They have the oil but they are not very good to us so let's cut the cord and think about US as in the United States of America!! .

I am extremely distresed that we have involved our country in the Northern African countries. We do not belong there ar all.  There countries need to solve their own people and determine their own destiny , not Hillary's or Obama's.  It is a dirty situation for us to become involved.  Out, out, out!  Bring out  soldiers home and let's get out ecomomy moving again.  No more wars.  I just look at these countries and say "WHY:? are we ther/????  Bring all foreign soldiers home.

Sorry, Pall, I didn't looo for any favorable info on fracking.  There are still nuts on here who think your teeth will turn black from drinking flouridated water!




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Fri 15 Feb 13 #134 
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Jmaxg,  I just want to say one little thing about being "cheesed off" which I find a loathesome phrase.  Why does it take you so long to write things?  It takes you forever to write thing and it is so absurd at time. It makes me want to not read them but I do because I don't want to be rude. Do you think you could shorten your posts a bit?  In return I will work at typing better.  I don't know what the problem is but I have it!  I'll try to be bettr. That's all. Good thgin!!.




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Sat 16 Feb 13 #135 
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Oh no - I disagree - one of the things that cheeses me off is when people make one dramatic statement and then doesn't back it up with any facts whatsoever.  Jmaxg always has lengthy explanations as to why the statement has been made.  

Don't get me wrong - I don't necessarily agree with it - but I do like to see the reasonings.

I like cheesed off as an expression - origins unknown and first used in 1942.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cheesed%20off




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Mon 18 Feb 13 #136 
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Good one Skippuh!  Why can't they indeed?

Like I said, originally fracking was done straight down or at a slight angle for 50 years.  The perpendicular stuff has happened in the last 10 years.

The rationale for the chemicals used in fracking is always covered by "proprietry information" and therefore never disclosed.....even in a contract with people that own the land.  The reason is simple......you own the land, we pay you to drill, you shut the hell up.

The difference will happen when one day, a person that owns the land will read the contract, not give permission until certain articles are changed, change the articles, allow the drilling, feel the effects, and then sue based on reasons allowed due to the changes in the contract.

Caveat Emptor - Let the purchaser beware.

As for being "cheesed off"?  That's not what I said. The forum exists on the following statement:

What Cheeses Me Off

That's what I ask of contributors.....what annoys you?




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Wed 6 Mar 13 #137 
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I have to share this with all of you!  I am typing much better.  Ajax said slow down, which I have, and I have been a horrible nail biter most of my life.  I recently had fake nails put on and I am trying to be so careful that I am typing much better. I am not perfect but I think you will agree my typing has improved.

 

Now here is something that really "cheeses me off":  Women who have cosmetic surgery on their vaginas.




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Wed 6 Mar 13 #138 
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Vadazzle?

:-D

Sorry.......this is serious.

:-(

G'head HB......elaborate.  But obviously, keep it within the bounds of pure anatomy if ya can.




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Wed 6 Mar 13 #139 
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It doesn't cheese me off, but I find it amusing that someone would think spending mmoney could make genitalia look better. Other than a pair of pants.




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Wed 6 Mar 13 #140 
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I agree.  I mean, what about g-strings?  What, about that, makes female or male backsides look better?

The panties of the 70s, 80s and 90s had it squared away.  It's the hint of what's there.....not actually seeing it.




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Wed 6 Mar 13 #141 
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Some of you are aware that I went to the Museum of Old and New Art, MONA, in Hobart recently. Vaginas, penii and dead kittens. Never again.




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Wed 6 Mar 13 #142 
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What cheese me off is unfairly beating up somebody.

Seth MacFarlane was chosen to be the host of the Academy Awards.

The next day, the American press erupted in this fake furore on how "in your face" MacFarlane's humour was.  It's STILL happening to this day.

This guy created "Family Guy"........puhleeze!  You didn't know that's what you were getting?

Seth's best joke?:  "......the last thing in Abraham Lincoln's mind was John Wilkes Booth."

The audience erupts in groans and boos.

Seth:  "What?  After 150 years, it's STILL too soon?"

As far as I am concerned, that was the stand-up joke of the millenium.




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Wed 6 Mar 13 #143 
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Oh no Ajax - I've just recommended MONA to my closest girlfriend who will be visiting there next month. Like me she loves photography and was looking for unusual things to photograph. I saw a picture of a pretty cement truck in the frounds of the museum and thought it might have other cool stuff.  Wasn't open when I was there 3 years back.

May warn her as her partner has a delicate stomach - Sandy is a farm girl so fairly strong stomached :)




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Wed 6 Mar 13 #144 
jmaxg
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What the hell?

Since when did we get confused with Facebook?




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Wed 6 Mar 13 #145 
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Since we got a like button. duh.




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Wed 6 Mar 13 #146 
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I think Seth MacFarlane is brilliant though I absolutely did not watch the Oscars. I have no interest. I have never watched an episode of the Family Guy without laughing out loud!  I swear it!

 

Regarding the cosmetic surgey to which I referred, I think the body should be more funtional than anything else.......the parts which are clothed.  I don't get it but what the hell.  Obviously some women think it's important.  I have a friend who refused to have a child because she was afraid it would ruin her "perfect sex life".  Pul-lease!  I think that is sort of wierd......doesn't everyone want to pass their DNA on?  Maybe it was for the best.....she and her husband are so boring.




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