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Sat 13 Oct 12 #1 
jmaxg
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An exceptional 14 year old girl got on her school bus in Pakistan. Then this guy mounted the bus and called her name. She dutifully stood up, and then was shot in the head by a Taliban agent.

I have no idea what to say in the face of such violence, but this I do know....

We may not be comfortable being a protest website, but I think we should be compelled to stand up for Malala Yousufzai.

As if I should say it, she's 14 years old, she insisted on going to school, and she blogged about it. That's why, according to the Taliban, she was must die in a horrific way.

I am not saying that NATO, The United Nations or anybody else should get into this.

But I think somebody should.


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Sat 13 Oct 12 #2 
kevg
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OK, I'll catch the next bus !! Brave girl and I hope the Pakistan government help her against these militant cowards.


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Sun 14 Oct 12 #3 
sally906
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From what I understand this young girl has been silently protesting for years - having her secret diaries broadcasted on bbc Pakistan. Her true identity only recently became available to the Taliban.

BUT this action has really shocked the Pakastani nation - even Taliban supporters . The action has NOT been lauded by the majority of the population and has turned many supporters against the Taliban.

Not sure if she will survive is on a ventilator - but what a brave child - she started around 10 years of age.


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Sun 14 Oct 12 #4 
southshoregirl

They said they will kill her if she survives and you can bet that they will try their damnedest to do just that.


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Mon 15 Oct 12 #5 
mapmaker
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she's on the way for specialist care to a unit in Birmingham, England


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Mon 15 Oct 12 #6 
southshoregirl

They never have said where they were taking her. I hope she is alright.


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Mon 15 Oct 12 #7 
Ajax
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Best not to advertise. Take it from me, it is hard to be a nurse when you have armed soldiers guarding every doorway.


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Tue 16 Oct 12 #8 
jmaxg
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All I know is, I have daughters.

This young ladies' bravura both frightens me and inspires me. I wonder what it's doing to my daughters in areas that they don't talk to "Dad" about.

I was gonna "go off" about the serious insecurities exhibited by the Taliban, but sally906 is quite right.....

Pakistan has found itself seriously "wrong footed" by this "incident" (a kind description).

Malala Yousufzai is now in the care of United Kingdom medical staff for what I assume will be her stabilisation and repatriation. She could not be in the hands of better people.

The implications of this might be mind boggling. A UN Award for Peace to Malala for example will do much to cause the Taliban to back-peddle again.

Affiliated countries to the Taliban cause may find themselves being threatened with isolation, or even expulsion from international associations.

I know it's a stretch, but if it did happen, it would have all been because one beautiful Pakistani girl stood up and said "Yes, I am Malala Yousufzai".

An amazing thought. By her one act, she changed the world.


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Thu 18 Oct 12 #9 
jmaxg
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I noticed that the Taliban, if you are to believe the current press, appear to have been also severely wrong-footed.

They are uncharacteristically explaining themselves in, from what I have read through official statements, is about as diplomatic and considered a way that the Taliban have ever done before. Astonishing!

Of course, the end result was that they admitted to ordering one of their idiots to shoot 14 year old Malala Yosuf Zai in the head at point blank range, but I was so glad that they were able to justify that in their own deranged way. Oh, and that they plan on completing the task if Malala recovers.

All the Taliban have done is give "religion" of all types a huge black eye......Islam, Christianity, Hindu, Judaism....they all have blood on their hands and always will. All this latest horrific incident does is remind us of that.

You wish to believe in a god or many gods, up to you. But you can do that all by yourself and in your own way. It should not take a religion for you to be a person of faith. All it should take is a book and a willingness to believe.

And "the book" should be considered "optional".

I myself am agnostic. Not because I don't know, either way, whether or not there is a deity at large. I actually believe there is not. But the point is, I cannot PROVE that to any degree. Therein lies the difference. A believer will say "there is a God" in the absence of any evidence whatsoever. Just like an atheist will claim "there is no God!!" An agnostic, a true agnostic, will admit that there is no evidence to any extent whatsoever and so, therefore, there cannot be "believers" OR "non-believers"........yes, an atheist is just as guilty as a Jew, a Muslim, a Christian, a Hindu or anyone else that claims they believe or don't believe. That is the logical outcome.

The point being, it is our religions that cause monstrous organisations like the Taliban to exist and spread their control and hatred. In a way, we are saying the Taliban exist because we allow them to and in so doing, we give them approval to shoot 14 year old girls, or boys, in the head.

Want this to end? Want to stop faceless old farts issuing orders to young fools to go attack school busses? Want to stop men in the US Congress legislating what women do with their bodies when it should be the call of the woman and her doctor?

Simple.......Think for yourself!!!!!


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Thu 18 Oct 12 #10 
sally906
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They've only taken over from the Catholics and their inquisitions that tortured and murdered millions of people in the name of religion. It will always be with us and it is lack of education of the populace that allow them to get into positions of power. The Taliban would not want women to be educated because they could then read the Koran for themselves and see that women are very much respected as equal people and have the right to education and independence. Just as the Catholics in the past read out the bible in Latin - no one would dispute because they couldn't read.

I am a believed, and I respect other people's beliefs - or unbeliefs. My husband is an atheist and we have had many long philosophical discussions. We can get on despite our differences why can't other people?


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Sat 20 Oct 12 #11 
jmaxg
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Well, according to my logic sally, you and hubby are the same type of creature just at opposite ends of the spectrum....

You believe in God despite absence of any evidence.

He believes there is no god despite absence of any evidence.

Your husband might reason that because he claims there is no god, that relieves him of any responsibility to acquire evidence. I disagree.

Our knowledge of science, at this stage, does not EXCLUDE the existence of any higher level being. All it says is that the existence of deities within our known universe is excluded. But then physics hits a certain point and breaks down and so we can only guess what happens after that point.

To me, that says Hubby and you are in similar positions. You embrace and accept 100%. He refutes and rejects 100%.

I, on the other hand, would state that, based on logic alone, the jury is still out.

The above is not my rationale by the way. It belongs to fabled English professor Richard Dawkins. But I think it is reasonable and valid logically. Therefore I call myself an "agnostic" until it is absolutely known what is on the other side when physics breaks down.

By the way, Malala Yosuf Zai is doing very well under British medical control. She is conscious and cognisant of the fact that the entire world is watching her. She is authorising the release of medical data and pictures related to herself and writing notes for the press.

What an amazing young women.


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