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Wed 3 Jan 07 #1 
species
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I know this is going to sound like the subject (sour grapes), and i dont want anyone to think im ungrateful for all the hard work put in - i love the site - but i wonder if it would be possible in future to make a clearer distinction between some of the answers.

What am i talking about??

Well...

The other day there was a question "what is another name for a policeman".

Now i'm one of those people (in his best Dennis Norden voice) that takes a while to scan stuff, so i tend to click on the first one i see that i think is correct, rather than read them all - if i did i'd never get above 100!!


So as soon as i got to Narc i clicked - it was wrong, and when i looked the last answer was bobby. Now my def of a narc is a law enforcement officer who deals with narcotics - hence the name, but a policeman none the less.

Of course i would have chosen Bobby, that is much more of common name, but as mentioned, i didnt get to it.

Today, as another example, there was a question, what is a quack? The dictionary has this down as "a fraudulent or ignorant pretender to medical skill"

I did the same thing and scanned through until i got to surgeon - medical i thought, and clicked. Wrong, under this was Dr.

I know this is partly down to me, i accept that - but im sure there are others that also have the same problem. Therefore, as mentioned, perhaps it would be possible to make the line between the answers a little clearer?


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Wed 3 Jan 07 #2 
dodgydjnoo
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A major feature of quizzes like this is, in my opinion, to put pressure on participants by introducing a timed element to the questions.

Whilst I agree with Species that occasionally some of the possible answers could overlap with the nickmanes, to me a Surgeon is a Doctor is a Quack, and a Narc is also a policeman, or an informant. On the whole I think that sometimes these grey boundaries make the quiz better.

In my opinion the best quizzes are ones where you are on the edge of your seat and slapping yourself in the head in an "Oh yeah" moment.

Quizzes where you have absoluteley no idea of the answers to are dispiriting, rather than entertainment. I have absolutely no idea which of Hercules' labours was to Spank the Nubian Monkey, etc. So when I get a whole quiz on them any points I get are pure guessing.

Factacular is about entertainment not education, and it does a body good to laugh at the misfortune of others.

So Suck it up species and take it like a man...........


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Wed 3 Jan 07 #3 
species
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Lets hope you never go on "who wants to be a millionaire" then - i dont think the contestants would appreciate "grey boundaries"

Is 4 - a) 1+3 b) 2+2 c) 5-1 or d) the number in a quartet......


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Wed 3 Jan 07 #4 
TeaBag
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Oh, get over it and start thinking like you are British ...


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Wed 3 Jan 07 #5 
species
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I thought i was!


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Wed 3 Jan 07 #6 
TeaBag
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See I am an Australian, thinking like I'm British and thinking you are another American attacking the site!


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Wed 3 Jan 07 #7 
species
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Dont seem to recall ever attacking the site - just putting forward a suggestion, under the Forums/Suggestions section.

What a fool i was.....


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Thu 4 Jan 07 #8 
skyrider
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Do you have a lot of Americans attacking the site?


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Thu 4 Jan 07 #9 
TeaBag
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Can I retract my statement "another American attacking the site"? What I meant is the cultural clash that sometimes gets in the way.

Sorry if I have offended.


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Thu 4 Jan 07 #10 
saguingoira
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I'm an American, TeaBag and I love the site especially with all the lovely pictures!


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Thu 4 Jan 07 #11 
TeaBag
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He He .. I guess what I meant was the way some people go .. "this isn't fair, we know nothing of this" ...


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Thu 4 Jan 07 #12 
species
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Hey i wasnt winging, i was just saying that IMHO some of the questions had answers that were very similar, if not pratically the same.

And im not American - although i did live there for a few years.


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Thu 4 Jan 07 #13 
cazza
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I got them right Species...so maybe you should not be so quick qith the clicker and actually read the Qs.....or maybe that metal mask you got on interfers with your brain waves and therefor sends you the wrong signals..you should have that checked hun...hehe


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Thu 4 Jan 07 #14 
saguingoira
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Cazza makes a lot of sense to me species. Kind of reminds me of a shrink friend of mine when he's had a little.


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Fri 5 Jan 07 #15 
species
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I agree - slower is better.... However, this kinda goes back to my original suggestion back in Dec, that it is possible for someone to get all the questions right, but lose to someone who gets allmost all of them wrong. Hence having a bonus point system if you get the question correct.

Anyhoo perhaps this is all getting too serious & i should just keep quiet - Bender needs a cigar and some booze...


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Tue 9 Jan 07 #16 
Workingmom
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I am AMerican and wish I was a Brith, so being here comes naturally.


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Wed 10 Jan 07 #17 
guinness john

surely as a a working mom you have give 'brith'?
i feel that species has a point (just the one, is suppose cos it took me a long time to get there) about some bonus points for getting it right rather than guessing. by the way, the narc thing. thats been narking me for a while. in english we dont use narc for a copper/bobby/rozzer/pig. a nark is a copper's nark, ie, grass. no, not that sort of grass, but an informant


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Wed 10 Jan 07 #18 
skyrider
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GJ...that's what a narc is here, too...an undercover agent, a narcotics officer. It is not a generic term for cop...the generic term for "cop" is "cop". "Pig" is just some old hippie word. And my favourite, only used in plural, is still "5-0" as in Hawaii 5-0 !


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Wed 10 Jan 07 #19 
TeaBag
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That is what I thought a narc was too .. an informant ..


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Wed 10 Jan 07 #20 
skyrider
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Yeah...a narc wouldn't necessarily be a police officer (certainly can be) but is definitely working for the police. I've even heard things like, "he narked on me"meaning he told on me, etc...


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Wed 10 Jan 07 #21 
species
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narc Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[nahrk]
Pronunciation Key - noun Slang. a government agent or detective charged with the enforcement of laws restricting the use of narcotics.

Origin: 1965–70, Americanism; shortening of narcotic


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Wed 10 Jan 07 #22 
TeaBag
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Just looked up Narc using the search key and it is "An undercover cop". Wonder what the question on What is the name for a policeman looks like now .. what are the four possible answers?

Just did the Job Titles questions, didn't get that one again, but did get Rozzer .. A Policeman (twice in the possible answers). Somewhere in the question programming there needs to be something like "but exclude....." for other similar occupations ..


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Thu 11 Jan 07 #23 
Doctor Factenstein
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An informer is a nark not a narc.

I'm still wet around the ears here but I agree with Species. Given my assumption of how this place works, I think adapting the question programming to take account of similar answers would be tricky - it may be simpler just to beware of it when adding new facts in and maybe correcting facts to remove ambiguity where it exists.

If the good Count did want to hack away at the programming then it'd probably be easiest to leave question formatting as it is and introduce a new section to contributions for "synonyms" - perhaps having something like:

Synonyms
convict -- con -- lag
copper -- bobby -- rozzer -- narc -- peeler -- pig
carpenter -- chippy

The downside is that this would probably slow things down just a little. Far simpler to catch it at the source.


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Thu 25 Jan 07 #24 
rp33333
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Interesting discussion. Maybe we need a topic on words that have different meanings in British and American English.

Could be interesting.


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Thu 25 Jan 07 #25 
guinness john

aye, but that would exclude australians...


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Thu 25 Jan 07 #26 
rp33333
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The poms can do the British, the Bananalanders can do the Queensland idiom, and the Yankees can do the Americanese.

Well, the Bananalander thing's a bit over the top.

But if you think about the "narc" question - narc may be a policeman in Britain and America, but it's a spoilsport or wowser in Aussie talk, right?


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Thu 25 Jan 07 #27 
guinness john

nope, its shane or wayne. same as the rest of em. happy australia day folks.


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Thu 25 Jan 07 #28 
TeaBag
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We have coppers, cops and the not so nice "pigs".


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Fri 26 Jan 07 #29 
drakaina
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Us Brits too, Teabag, and 'rashers' and the even less nice 'Filth'.

I found some interesting theories on the origin of the Brit. 'Old Bill': http://www.historybytheyard.co.uk/old_bill.htm

Anyone know the origin of calling them 'the fuzz'?


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Fri 26 Jan 07 #30 
TeaBag
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Oooo .. will have to tell my neighbour and friend who is a copper .. rasher is a great one!


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Fri 26 Jan 07 #31 
species
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There are several theories about the origin of "fuzz":

A mispronunciation or mishearing of the warning "Feds!" (Federal agents). This seems very unlikely.

Etymologist Eric Partridge wonders if "fuzz" might have come from the beards of early police officers. This also seems unlikely

American Tramp and Underworld Slang, published in 1931, suggests that "fuzz" was derived from "fuss," meaning that the cops were "fussy" over trifles.

Evan Morris also suggests the word "arose as a term of contempt for police based on the use of 'fuzz' or 'fuzzy' in other items of derogatory criminal slang of the period. To be 'fuzzy' was to be unmanly, incompetent and soft. How better to insult the police, after all, than to mock them as ineffectual?" That explanation seems as good as any, and better than most.


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