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Fri 28 Sep #1 
BBandicoot
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"Brett Michael Kavanaugh (/ˈkævənɔː/; born February 12, 1965)[1] is an American attorney and jurist who serves as a United States Circuit Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.

To fill the vacancy created by the retirement of Associate Justice Anthony Kennedy, President Donald Trump nominated Kavanaugh on July 9, 2018, to serve as an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States. During the confirmation process, Christine Blasey Ford came forward and, through interviews to the press and statements by her attorney, alleged that in the early 1980s Kavanaugh had attempted to rape her.[7][8][9] Kavanaugh "categorically and unequivocally" denied that the event occurred.[10][11] On September 23, Deborah Ramirez alleged sexual misconduct by Kavanaugh;[12] Kavanaugh denied this allegation as well.[13] On September 26, Julie Swetnick alleged that Mark Judge and Kavanaugh organized and participated in gang rape; Kavanaugh denied the allegations.[14] In September 2018, Kavanaugh had the lowest polling rating of any Supreme Court nomination since such polls have been taken." - wikipedia




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Fri 28 Sep #2 
BBandicoot
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Hearing yesterday where Kavanaugh and Dr. Ford were both interviewed as witnesses.

Senate judiciary committee to vote on his nomination in a few hours.

Is this news everywhere or just here?




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Fri 28 Sep #3 
JMK
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Well it is news in NZ. Trump seems to be continuing with his knack of making dreadful choices for positions.




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Fri 28 Sep #4 
kevg
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something from 35 year ago ? and she just remembered ?  sorry , not interested




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Sat 29 Sep #5 
sally906
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Yes it’s news here. Sounds like Trump is going to nominate him anyway. I don’t think she would have just remembered Kev - but I do wonder why now - she may have just got the courage?  Don’t know the full story so can’t judge. But is more than one woman so where’s there smoke there’s usually a fire




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Sat 29 Sep #6 
chooky
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"....sorry, not interested" ?  Good, then you wont feel the need to comment further on the subject.
Just for the record, she didn't 'just remember' it, she disclosed it to her husband & her therapist in 2012 - before Kavanaugh was even a blip on the horizon.
Many, many victims of sexual assault (both female & male) don't come forward - either at the time or, in fact, ever for several reasons. The main one is illustrated very neatly here - fear of being ridiculed and disbelieved.
I'm sure that there are plenty who have piled on to the #metoo bandwagon who shouldn't be there but that's beside the point. Any claim should be looked at carefully & respectfully with due regard for both the accuser and the accused.

You might see yourself as a bit of a contrarian Kev but it would really be better if you just left this one the hell alone!




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Sat 29 Sep #7 
kevg
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As I said , not interested , and anyway it is USA , nothing to do with me , they are all nutcases over there.




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Sat 29 Sep #8 
BBandicoot
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Dr. Ford brought her allegations to a senator and the Washington Post in July. It is not her fault that the Democrats decided to go for the circus instead of publicizing her story right away.

She was clearly extremely uncomfortable - "terrified" in her own words - to be testifying before the committee, but she did it because she thought it was right to do.

Signs point to Kavanaugh's approval. When that happens there is very little chance that Roe v. Wade will remain intact.  So in my opinion, our nutcases may start migrating backwards.  They may have something to do with everyone...

I'm not anti-Ford or anti-Kavanaugh. I think the right thing is being done - FBI investigation. Both deserve that.  Kudos to Republican Jeff Flake for putting fairness at least on equal footing with partisanship, unlike the rest of them.




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Sun 30 Sep #9 
Helen McKenzie
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What is the difference of ladies coming forward years after the fact with Bill Cosby to years after the fact with Kavanaugh.....i see no difference justice was given to Cosby so justice should also be given to Kavanaugh if required.




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Wed 3 Oct #10 
kevg
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Contrarian Chooky ? That would mean I argue just for he sake of it . Nope I argue cos I view the world differently from most people . Yes, I would exterminate anybody who tries to immigrate illegally , tie them to stakes in the Thames is a good one , public justice.

Just as an aside I also hate Japanese Buddhists , lets see if that upsets anyone .




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Thu 4 Oct #11 
Ruby Franks
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Lovely to read well-written and well-argued posts.

 I long to bury alive tax avoiders, especially the British ones, people who sound their car horns in built up areas should break rocks on Dartmoor for twenty years. Let's cheer for the revenge of the saloon bar bore!

As an aside, I can't bear those Icelandic Plymouth Brethren.




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Thu 4 Oct #12 
rmcmanus
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The Kavanaugh stuff is all over the news here, but so is Trump's subsequent laughing at Dr Ford and mockery of women in general.

I do think, sadly, that after  #MeToo has finished causing runctions in the world of business, showbuisiness and politics things aren't really ever going to change.  Most sexual assault in positions of power are carried out on people who are too young to understand that they can speak out and not lose their jobs.  Dr Ford bottled up what had happened to her for years before feeling able to talk about it to someone, and she's an educated, intelligent woman.  Until people understand that standing on a street corner catcalling and telling girls to "get their tits out" is not acceptable behaviour things willl never change.  And seeing as my child contends with boys in her year group telling her that girls cannot do things like IT, Maths and football that behaviour is still fiercly ingrained in society.  

 




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Thu 4 Oct #13 
BBandicoot
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@Rmcmanus my sister had to deal with much of the same growing up. Now that she has her doctorate in chemistry, when the boys give her grief she just kicks them out of the class: rather unceremoniously from what I've heard.  

The senators have the FBI's report. It seems like the Republicans will still be able to push Kavanaugh through.

To me, it is 99.9% clear Kavanaugh lied under oath. No way he didn't understand the common sexual references in his high school yearbook. I believe he lied about his own sexual history as well.  I find it hard to believe that anyone believes him on the subject of his drinking. It is pretty clear he was a typical 'frat boy' type in his youth, which by itself isn't really a big deal, plenty of guys grow out of that kind of behaviour. Plenty of guys don't lie under oath about it though.




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Sat 6 Oct #14 
Bryn middleton
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lThe Kavanaugh nomination is politically depressing but in and of itself just falls into the dustbin marked " terrible political decisions", which is at the moment remarkably full and smelly.  He seems on the face of it to be a terrible pick for such a position on political grounds, and a truly horrifying one in light of the numerous accusations now being made about him on personal grounds.

The underlying issues it has exposed, however, are way more troubling.  The treatment of the victims of sexual assault, and all the 'elevator screamers', and all the women who dare to call out the reprehensible actions of men and, heaven forbid!, only find the strength and the understanding to do so years after the fact, is disgraceful.  It's  in some ways unfortunate that this politics of the Kavanaugh appointment has distracted from a far more important truth.  Women are not believed on reporting of this kind of abuse, men don't want to believe women reporting this kind of abuse.  And then people ignorant of the reasons why such claims are often made considerably after the fact simply say 'well, why did she wait so long?' and waggle their eyebrows as if a victim ceases to be a victim after a set period of time, or that un

 




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Sat 6 Oct #15 
Bryn middleton
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Ulterior motives were in play, or that...well, women, right?  What you gonna do with 'em?

It's crap, pure and simple.  And heartbreaking.  And it seems the more women find a voice and call out those who abuse their power and influence and seniority, the more the male trash that has somehow bobbed to the surface of our society close ranks, catcall, throw mud, shame and belittle them. 

Sorry.  Rant over.  For now, anyway.  




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Sat 6 Oct #16 
Bryn middleton
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One last thing...honest...

Someone ( ahem) posted a thread on Japanese motorcycles a while back.  Having zero interest I didn't feel the need to post a comment on it saying as much, as I assumed no one reading or posting on that thread would care.  Perhaps we should all go to every post we're not interested in and say as much?  Is that how it works now??  

Sorry.  Grumpy and annoyed.  And still a bit jet lagged.




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Sat 6 Oct #17 
sally906
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Well he got voted in. The smirk on the man’s face made me want to vomit. 




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Sat 6 Oct #18 
JMK
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Absolutely disgusted (though not surprised) with the decision. It is wrong for so many reasons.
 




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Sun 7 Oct #19 
Helen McKenzie
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It is very wrong, glad i dont live over there




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Sun 7 Oct #20 
BBandicoot
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I'm not always glad to live here, am extremely disappointed, unfortunately not surprised, and (if possible) even more disillusioned by the complete joke that is American politics. My solace (for many years now) is that my passport is ALWAYS within my reach.

I couldn't imagine being an American woman right now. I am constantly amazed by the women around me who survive (and even thrive) in this ridiculous society which seems built to inhibit them. I could never fully understand that struggle, but being an American with a bit of pigment, I certainly empathize.

 

 




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Mon 8 Oct #21 
Ruby Franks
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If Malorie Blackman or Margaret Atwood had been writing of the beginnings of a  dystopian community where male physicists can declare that women are no good at their subject because men invented the subject. and where a POTUS can get public acclaim for mocking and sneering at an account of childhood sexual abuse; they would have been condemned for being unsubtle writers of fiction. 

It's not a comfort that within the same week women shared the Nobel prize for Physics and for Peace (campaigning against the use of rape as a weapon).




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Mon 8 Oct #22 
Ruby Franks
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And why hasn't George Soros offered me any money to go demonstrating?




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Tue 9 Oct #23 
Bryn middleton
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Yeah, George!  Cough up man.  You're paying everyone else with a mouth and a conscience these days.  Apparently.




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