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Thu 12 Jul #1 
kevg
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Well that's it , we are out , bugger , bored now , anyone fancy a row ?

I see Trump has landed , that should have left wing masses foaming at the mouth ?




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Fri 13 Jul #2 
chooky
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Unlike the right wing masses, who never need a reason to be foaming at the mouth




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Fri 13 Jul #3 
Bryn middleton
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Well to be fair, the right wing masses are ALWAYS foaming at the mouth, bless them.  They're still cleaning up over their after 8 years of Obama

Trump is, of course, a massive idiot but it seems to me that's nothing new in a world leader.  It's fair to argue that a pretty hefty percentage of world leaders are more or less idiots and you can detect the small, clammy hands of idiot leaders all over history since, well, history started.




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Fri 13 Jul #4 
kevg
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Except of course I don't live in USA thankfully , can't understand people here going ballistic about Trump . He is nothing to do with us , or Australia for that matter .

I have never foamed at mouth , spat me coffee a few times I admit , more to do with home grown politicians though




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Fri 13 Jul #5 
Bryn middleton
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Hmm.  Seems a touch complacent, Kev.  I can understand people over here getting riled up.  Especially as Trump has a special, quixotic idiocy when it comes to foreign policy.  Like it or not, that part of US politics effects all of us.  Besides, those who care about these sorts of things see him as a poster boy for a peculiar type of tin-ear politics that's infecting more and more of the 'developed' world.




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Sat 14 Jul #6 
kevg
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Complacent or realist ? How does anyone living outside USA propose to "get rid of Trump" ? For that matter affect any policies they choose to enact ?

We know they are naughty boys , playing with guns and letting people die if the don't have health insurance , but the answer is in their own hands . Nothing to do with us .




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Sat 14 Jul #7 
Bryn middleton
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 My point is it's not about 'getting rid' of Trump.  In the scheme of things Trump is irrelevant.  It's all about opposing the ideology, the methodology.  It's people ultimately making a stand not against the man but against the things the man stands for.  We can't do much about Trump over here, and it's unlikely they'll do anything about him in the US.  It's about ensuring there isn't another Trump after this one, and not just in the US but anywhere.

 




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Sun 15 Jul #8 
BBandicoot
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Were people outside the US shocked when Trump got elected? Some here were, but I wasn't.  

He's like so many of my fellow Americans. 

We're an arrogant, uninformed, and especially racist bunch in general.

Too bad countries can't be sent off to finishing school during the insufferable adolescent years.

 




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Wed 18 Jul #9 
JMK
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I blame the US education system for Trump being elected. Too much focus on passing exams and not enough on critical thinking, real life skills and common sense.




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Wed 18 Jul #10 
kevg
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hmmm interesting JMK , you do know most of the kids voted for Hillary ?




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Wed 18 Jul #11 
Bryn middleton
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?First off, Kev, it's fair to say kids can't vote.  Not actual kids, anyway.  But it seems to be true that more under 40's voted for Hillary, more over 40's for Trump.  Whether that really tells us much is I think up for debate.

I'd love to agree with JMK but I think education isn't so much the problem.  As far as I can tell, critical thinking plays a minor role in most people's lives and as far as I can tell again, always has.  Sometimes people make bad choices, and the reasons are legion.  But it is interesting to note the racial split.  According to the best figures I could find, every broad racial group voted pretty heavily for Clinton.  Except white people.  And women voted heavily for Clinton too,  but not men.  So...white men are responsible for Trump?  I think that scans....

To anyone more knowledgeable than I on the matter, could I ask...was Clinton the only reasonable candidate that, because of her gender, history and reputation would lose that election to Trump?  Would Sanders have won?

 

 




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Wed 18 Jul #12 
kevg
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Quite likely he would have , my Yank chum was disgusted when he was bought out , nay , appalled .  Clinton thought she had a God given right to rule , which stuck in many peoples craw . Didn't bother me in the slightest I hate Liberals anyway , never used to until they got all sanctimonious and if you aren't with them you are against them .




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Thu 19 Jul #13 
BBandicoot
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Lol Kev, we all know how you feel about liberals. But you did hit on something above. I heard many versions of "She thinks she's a queen" regarding Hillary during the election. Though it would be my last deciding factor, it seems her "attitude" was a large factor for others.

Was also a critical mistake for her to ignore the "rust belt", Trump got all those states in the end.

To add to Bryn's comment, while educated women did vote for Hillary, uneducated women were for Trump, which I find interesting. 

Honestly the two party system here is so inherently broken. Our senate may as well be paid to twiddle their thumbs. 

 




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Fri 20 Jul #14 
Bryn middleton
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Well, Bb, that's why I always vote Liberal Democrat in U.K. Elections!

Hmmm...Kev may not speak to me now...gosh darn it...

It does seem nuts that US presidential elections come down to a choice between two candidates, two monolithic political entities, often the choice is dumb or dumber.  Why are the electorate treated like that?  I mean, I know the answer, but really...why??? How can you have more types of pizza than electable politicians?




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Fri 20 Jul #15 
BBandicoot
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The electorate are too concerned with pizza to care how they are treated.  

One of the Kardashians will probably be our next president at this rate.

 




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Fri 20 Jul #16 
Bryn middleton
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Mind you, pizza is important....




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Fri 20 Jul #17 
JMK
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Please don't talk about one of the Kardashians becoming POTUS. Right now I would believe even that possible in the US. No-one seems too ridiculous any more.




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Fri 20 Jul #18 
chooky
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I agree with Bryn.
Pizza is more important than the Kardashians.




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Fri 20 Jul #19 
Bryn middleton
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So further to that, and slightly off topic...I would ask our US brethren 'who makes the best pizza?'  It's a food item that has, I think, a fairly poor image in the U.K. So I'm fairly confident I've never really eaten a good one.  So where should I go in the US to find awesome pizza?  Cowabunga!




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Fri 20 Jul #20 
JMK
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Not exactly answering your question but I like Hell Pizza in New Zealand. 

Athough you should avoid asking our former Prime Minister whose taste in pizza gave indications of his commpetence in leading the country (imo).




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Fri 20 Jul #21 
Bryn middleton
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Yikes!!!!! That's an image ( and a weird taste in my mouth) that will stay with me a loong time!  Thanks JMK.  Although Hell Pizza looks pretty cool




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Sat 21 Jul #22 
Ruby Franks
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I don't know what you mean by slightly off topic, this thread is titled World Cup....which nobody has mentioned.




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Sat 21 Jul #23 
Bryn middleton
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It's turning into the World Cup of pizza! 




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Sat 21 Jul #24 
sally906
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We always have a Hells Pizza when in NZ - always with a side of stuffed Jalapeños.

I read about the tinned spaghetti and pineapple pizza of the then PM - while I do like pineapple on my half of the Pizza - the idea of tinned spaghetti on one is foul!




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Sun 22 Jul #25 
Helen McKenzie
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Well done to the Black Ferns on winning the Rugby World cup Sevens, we in New Zealand are proud of you, now for the guys!




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