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Tue 4 Apr 17 #1 
jmaxg
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When "Spaceballs" (1987) was released, it was regarded as a hammy comedic parody of certain sci-fi films in the typical Mel Brooks sense especially after films like "Silent Movie" (1976).

Yet, after 10 years, 20 years and 30 years, the film is now regarded as a classic because of such scenes as "Mister Coffee/Mister Radar", "Spaceballs, the movie on video - show me where this is going", "Confused with the stunt people", "LUDICROUS SPEED!", "John Hurt getting chest bursted again - Oh no! Not again!" and "The escaping alien with top hat and cane dancing off - Hello my honey, hello my baby, hello my ragtime gal".

I actually think the movie is still partly "hammy" and the comedy forced in some places. But those sequences above are examples of sparklingly funny comedy with intelligent twists.

Not that an "intelligent twist" has anything to do with it, but can Factacular members think of another comedy, either play, film or TV show where the comedic brilliance has been overlooked and/or unfairly received?




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Tue 4 Apr 17 #2 
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I think "Scary Movie 3" (2003) is a lot funnier than it's given credit for.

Dialogue includes:

Mahalik (Anthony Anderson): "I heard Jamal from 90th street watched that tape last week and this mornin' he woke up dead!"

CJ (Kevin Hart in his first role): "How the hell do you wake up dead?"

Mahalik: "Cause' you're alive when you go to sleep."

CJ: "So you're telling me you can go to bed dead and wake up alive?"

Mahalik: "You can't go to bed dead! That shit would've been redundant."

CJ: "No it would'nt cause' you can go to bed and not be dead, and you can die and not be in the bed."

Mahalik: "But you are in the bed. That's how you wake up dead in the first place fool!"

CJ: "Damn! that's some quantum shit right there man! You should be teaching classes!"

*high fives!

And this really funny bit of dialogue from Anna Farris (Cindy after she sees the video) and the voice on the phone that tells you of your impending death in 7 days:

Cindy: "Hello?"

Ring Voice: Unintelligible

Cindy: "What? Willie Mays?"

Ring Voice: Unintelligible

Cindy: "Who's gay? Hello?"

Ring Voice: Unintelligible

Cindy: "What?"

Ring Voice: "Can you hear me now?" (parody of an old cell phone ad)

Cindy: "Kind of."

Ring Voice: "Can you hear me now?"

Cindy: "Yes. Perfect."

Ring Voice: "Seven days."

Cindy: "Seven days. Oh, my God. I'm gonna die next Monday?"

Ring Voice: "Yes. No. Wait. Monday. That would be seven business days. This is seven days starting now."

Cindy: "So seven days to this very hour? My watch broke. How am I gonna know the exact hour?"

Ring Voice: "Forget hours. This is day seven days from now."

Cindy: "But there's a holiday coming up. Do you count the holiday?"

Ring Voice: "Well, that depends. What holiday?"

Cindy: "Martin Luther King Day."

Ring Voice: "Then no."

Cindy: "Why not? Everybody at work is taking it off."

Ring Voice: "Jesus Christ, lady! I'm giving you seven friggin' days! I can come over now and kill the shit out of you if you'd rather have that!"

That is very clever stuff.

In Australia and New Zealand, the last part might play out like this......

Cindy: "But there's a holiday coming up. Do you count the holiday?"

Ring Voice: "Well, that depends. What holiday?"

Cindy: "ANZAC Day."

Ring Voice: "Then yes."

Cindy: "So it's actually eight days?"

Ring Voice: "Yes. Umm, no. I dunno! Jesus Christ, lady! I'm giving you seven, or maybe eight friggin' days! I can come over now and kill the shit out of you if you'd rather have that!"

And it goes on......

Cindy: "So if ANZAC day is added, that means nine days because the day before is a bank holiday."

Ring Voice: "Huh?"

Cindy: "And what about butcher holidays?"

Ring Voice: "Whaaa?"

Cindy: "I am guessing that you will have to transact on at least two days during the period. So is eleven days looking good for you? Sorry! I forgot about Passover. That means at least five more days."

Ring Voice: "Are you Jewish?"

Cindy: "I am now."

Ring Voice: "So, taking all that into account and seven days becoming fifteen days, I still get to kill you on Saturday the 23rd?"

Cindy: "Sorry no. That's the Sabbath."

Ring Voice: "Oh for shit's sake!"

LOL!

 

 




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Tue 4 Apr 17 #3 
jmaxg
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Note that the above is an example. A simple title will suffice.




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Tue 4 Apr 17 #4 
Ruby Franks
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I understand why the Marx Brothers are revered, but don't understand why the film Hellzapoppin isn't up there with them. Its fast and furious and has one of the best dance scenes ever, including one of my all time heroes Slim Gaillard. (If you have time have a look at Slim's life story, extraordinary). I don't understand how it was originally a stage show - how do you get that on stage?

Best movie dog, best movie lindy hop.

Perhaps its only in the UK it isn't so well known, but if I ever mention it, people don't know of it. Perhaps I'm talking to the wrong people.




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Tue 4 Apr 17 #5 
Helen McKenzie
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I can't think of a seriously overlooked comedy movie, but what I might think is overlooked someone else might think is rubbish.


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Thu 6 Apr 17 #6 
jmaxg
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Maybe not an overlooked movie as such, but in "National Lampoon - Vegas Vacation" (1997) there was this little bit of dialogue:

*set up is Clark Griswold brings his son and daughter to the dining room table for a father/son/daughter discussion.....

Clark Griswold (Chevy Chase): "Rusty, Audrey....(pause - then Clark chokes emotionally)....Christ! It's like I don't know you guys anymore!"

(by this third film, the roles of BOTH Rusty and Audrey had been re-cast three times)

That joke is so subtle that it depends on the wary eye of some movie fans to get it.

PURE National Lampoon and funny as hell after you realise it.

To me, it's a modern day version of the delicate comedy of Laurel and Hardy.




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Thu 6 Apr 17 #7 
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Maybe this forum should be about overlooked jokes as much as overlooked comedy films.




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Thu 6 Apr 17 #8 
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One of the most overlooked comedy studio sketches of all time is this:

(best viewed by immediate post)

I will request my robot alter-ego to post.




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Thu 6 Apr 17 #9 
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"The Immigrants"




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Thu 6 Apr 17 #10 
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"The Trial/Big Sports Death Squad/Flash Bazbo"




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Thu 6 Apr 17 #11 
jmaxg
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That stuff is quietly funny in that Monty Python did the same sort of stuff AFTER they figured out that National Lampoon was already doing it.

But the bottom line is radio sketch comedy takes talent. It's harder than you think.

Also is it true that the United States of America invented staged radio comedy?

Yes. That is true.

Well maybe not INVENTED it. The English "Goons" did that.

But National Lampoon perfected it.




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Thu 6 Apr 17 #12 
Helen McKenzie
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My favourite National Lampoon movie has to be National Lampoon's Vacation. Griswolds on their way to Wally World. My favourite part has to be when they are on their picnic break and Clark is under the tree eating a sandwich and his wife then sniffs the sandwiches and says "The dog peeed on the sandwiches" .....Clark's look was priceless lol




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Thu 6 Apr 17 #13 
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The bit in the same movie involving the dog and the motorcycle cop.

In one scene, the viewer is asked to either laugh or cry.

The implications of that scene are so terrible. Yet it is one of the funniest cinematic comedy scenes of all time.

Sorry PETA, I really am.

But you have to understand comedy before you attack it.




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Thu 6 Apr 17 #14 
Helen McKenzie
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As terrible as it is....it is a funny scene. Also when the grandma dies in the car and the kids wont sit in car with her so they tie her on the roof lol.......i have a warped sence of humour

 




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Thu 6 Apr 17 #15 
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You're not the only one.

The pricelessness of a dead Granny being put on the roof speaks to all of us whether we admit it or not.

Sometimes grannies are assholes yet the family has to put up with them. Not all grannies are wise and enveloping types.

Guess what? Welcome to life.




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Thu 6 Apr 17 #16 
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Was my grandma a bitch like Clark Griswold's? No.

But his was and that is the point.




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Fri 7 Apr 17 #17 
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I loved the dead Granny scene!!!

 

I have told my children I want to live long enough to make their lives a misery - sit in the corner playing with myself, interrupt when they're talking to their friends, throwing my stuff around, have a tantrum when I can't grab the biscuits and peeing my pants - just like they did when they were toddlers!!!

 

Both daughter's think I'm joking!!!!

 

 




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Fri 7 Apr 17 #18 
Helen McKenzie
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Im right with you Sally, ill do the exact same thing but ill spend 6 months at a time with both my children and they wont know what hit them lol.




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Sat 8 Apr 17 #19 
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MASH - Season Four, Episode Two - "Change of Command".....

(Colonel Potter has just taken command of the 4077 and Radar has been ordered to get all officers in conference)

Radar - on the PA: "ATTENTION! By command of the new commanding officer, all officers will report to the commanding officer's office, sirs."

Brilliant writing and yes, that sort of stuff pops up in military writing drafts all the time.




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Sat 22 Apr 17 #20 
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Agree with all the above but my own 'why haven't you heard of it!' film is 'Young Frankenstein'... I guess because it's black and white, because it is not for lack of funny lines... laugh out loud moments, words and genius comedy writing and acting throughout.  I cannot hear 'Putting on the Ritz' without shouting it out in a silly voice! ...'Abby someone... Abby Normal'... 'give him the segagive'... 'Never with tails'.... 'Ah sweet mystery of life, at last I've found him'!




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Sat 22 Apr 17 #21 
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Oh and 'Funny Bones'... a dark comedy... but in the words of Bruno Parker (played by Freddie 'Parrot-faced' Davies), "I never saw anything funny that didn't cause pain." The casting itself is a work of art... generations of comic geniuses... a paean to comedy.




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Sat 22 Apr 17 #22 
jmaxg
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Just to make a point Knitty, Mel Brook's "Young Frankenstein" (1974) is NOT a seriously overlooked comedy film.

It is in fact regarded as a comedic gem that is regularly included in the lists of the top ten best comedy films of all time. It's only fight is that it has to contend with "Blazing Saddles" (1974 - also Mel Brooks) on the top ten list and put up with changing figures on the Blu-Ray and DVD sales lists.

But the jokes in that film are as subtle as a flickering candle, as perverse as the far off neighing of a horse, as socialogically complicated as noticing where a hump used to be and is it ok to mention that and is it ok to make fun of a blind person.

Piled up next to that are several scores of sight gags and sexual humour.

It's not overlooked. It's beloved.




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Sat 22 Apr 17 #23 
jmaxg
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I don't know of this "Funny Bones" of which you speak but I will make an effort to find out.




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Sat 22 Apr 17 #24 
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But you reminded me of other movies and characters that do not get a fair shake.

Like France's Jacques Tati and his created character, "Monsier Hulot".

In my opinion, the best Monsier Hulot films are:

"Monsier Hulot's Holiday" (1953)

"Mon Uncle" (1958)

"Traffic" (1971)

From my perspective, Tati just wanted to emulate his hero Buster Keaton by piling on sight gags that were complicated but wielded a great visual outcome.

In so doing, he came up with a good deal of original gags that were Tati and Tati alone. I found them to be both subtle and outrageous and very, very clever.

Also, the VERY SOFT, yet explosively funny technique of Laurel and Hardy was not lost on this bloke called Tati. He read it like a book.

Ya wanna talk about overlooked comedy? Then you have to talk about Jacques Tati.

 




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Sat 22 Apr 17 #25 
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Trivia point:

Did you know that the first "Monty Python" film of all time, "Monty Python's And Now For Something Completely Different", a film that basically re-filmed sketches from the "Monty Python's Flying Circus" television series......

It was financed by Playboy? Yes, THAT Playboy. The bunny based magazine company.

I didn't know that before. I know it now.

 




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