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Tue 7 Jun 16 #1 
jmaxg
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Maybe NOT the best boxer of all time.  A guy called "kevg" made me note that Joe Frazier was actually the better boxer.  He's not wrong.

Even given that, can all of us bow our heads to the G.O.A.T..

If you don't know what that means, that is your problem......yes, even you kevg.

But what he was is simply that......The Greatest Of All Time (G.O.A.T.).

Champ, you are missed.  But you have done enough.  Sleep now.




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Tue 7 Jun 16 #2 
jmaxg
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Just in case you got it wrong......I was talking about Muhammed Ali.




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Tue 7 Jun 16 #3 
sally906
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I'm not sure he would like being called a G.O.A.T. to his face - but I agree he was a character.

I am not a fan of boxing in any way, shape or form - BUT even I have heard of Joe Frazier and Muhammed Ali - but I always loved Ali's rhetoric




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Thu 23 Jun 16 #4 
jmaxg
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G.O.A.T. means Greatest Of All Time.

I'm pretty sure he would've been ok with that.




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Thu 23 Jun 16 #5 
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Ali put on a good show and was an awesome fighter but what do you think of Triple G?

 




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Sat 25 Jun 16 #6 
jmaxg
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Isn't he an MMA fighter?  In which case, there is no comparison.




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Sat 9 Jul 16 #7 
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NO, HE IS NOT A MMA FIGHTER!  He is Gennady Golovkin, a Middleweight fighter from Kazakhstan with a 34-0 record with 31 consecutive knockouts! He is the best pound for pound boxer I have ever seen!  WATCH HIM!  He is amazing and I think he is the best boxer of our time. He BOXES! Sweet!




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Sun 10 Jul 16 #8 
jmaxg
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Sorry HB......he just wasn't a name I knew and I apologise to him and you.

The thing is that boxing is so broad, many champions can go unnoticed and that's a shame.

For instance, everyone is so in love with Ali that they forget just how good a boxer Joe Frasier was and that he actually beat him once......admittedly that was when Ali was a tad softer after his banning and Joe was at the peak of his physical career......a point that has to be noted.

But another for instance, I think that Manny Pacquiao must be considered, pound for pound, one of the greatest boxers in history.  How can one advance through so many weight classes and still keep winning?

For Manny, it's over now of course but geez!  What a stellar career!




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Fri 15 Jul 16 #9 
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 Manny got screwed by Mayweather not giving him a fight in a timely fashion.  That was very unfair. Mayweather put it off for years because Pacquaio was so fast he would have beaten Mayweather.  That was a screwing but at least Manny is an esteemed man in his country and I think he is a Senator.  I am not certain but I know he is in the government.

To me, Mayweather is the slimiest sort of athlete out there.   I truly detest his showing off, his flashy cars and women hanging around.  It's just over the top.  His life is like a reality show. He is a braggart. I don't see him as a classy sportsman.




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Tue 26 Jul 16 #10 
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I saw the title and assumed we were discussing Serena Williams ;)




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Thu 28 Jul 16 #11 
jmaxg
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She is totally "BOSS" in a HUGE way.  Like being the best tennis player in history.

I don't think it's a problem to point that out.




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Thu 28 Jul 16 #12 
jmaxg
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But if we wanna go "G.O.A.T"'s, then let's do it.

The greatest 1st class and international cricketing batsman of all time.....

Donald Bradman - Australia - Final average - 99.94

The best olympic class swimmer of all time.....

Shane Gould - Australia - At one time, world record holder in the 100m and 200m freestyle, 100m and 200m backstroke, 100m and 200m Australian Crawl, 100m and 200m breast stroke, 400m freestyle, 800m freestyle and 1500m freestyle.

ALL at the same time. Something that has never been repeated, male nor female.

Yet she never got to swim in an Olympic Games.




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Thu 28 Jul 16 #13 
chooky
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???  I'm not much of a sports fan but I thought she won medals at the 1972 Olympics.
I do know she retired very young because she found the media attention hard to deal with.




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Fri 29 Jul 16 #14 
sally906
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Ah ha - Shane Gould gossip - I met her at an inter school swim meet between Sydney and Newcastle. She beat everyone!  She was in the Olympics a few months later and everyone at the inter school meet was aware she was in the running to be picked for the team. We were in a breaststroke race together. I knew I wouldn't win - but I came 3rd! That was the only stroke I did - she was in just about every race for every stroke - was gobsmackingly amazing!  

She went to Turramurra High in Sydney I was at Warners Bay in Newcastle  -  my friends and I followed her career as she was such a nice person  

 




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Tue 9 Aug 16 #15 
jmaxg
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What I am saying is that at one point, Shane Gould held the world's record at every recognised freestyle swimming category for women all at the same time......including one that wasn't recognised at that time, the 1500m.

Something never repeated by women nor men in the history of organised swimming, no matter what country.

And yes, I am corrected, Shane Gould won gold three times in the Munich Olympics, setting a world's record in each race.

Wikipedia then went on to say:

"She is the only person, male or female, to hold every world freestyle record from 100 metres to 1500 metres and the 200-metre individual medley world record simultaneously, which she did from 12 December 1971 to 1 September 1972. She is the first female swimmer ever to win three Olympic gold medals in world record time, and the first swimmer, male or female, to win Olympic medals in five individual events in a single Olympics. She is also the only Australian to win three individual gold medals at a single Olympics."

Just think about that for a second.....the world record holder for every freestyle event from 100m to 1500m at one time...something never repeated by anyone else, male or female, ever.

All of this from a little country girl from New South Wales.

Michael Phelps and all his 21 medals are grand.  But he will never beat that.

Shane Gould is as much the Greatest Of All Time (G.O.A.T.) category as it gets.




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Tue 9 Aug 16 #16 
jmaxg
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I'd known about Shane Gould for ever.....as every Aussie should.

But now, all of a sudden wikipedia get's involved and delivers correct information after 30 years? Ugh!

Anyway......Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, oy, oy, oy!




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Tue 9 Aug 16 #17 
jmaxg
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And, as sally906 pointed out, she was always a nice person.




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Tue 9 Aug 16 #18 
jmaxg
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And as jmaxg will point out, I miss my country desperately at times like the Olympics.

But the funny thing is, even if you could invite me back, I would not accept.

Java and I are joined at the hip.  If I left her, I would die.

I am not saying I like this place particularly much.  But I AM saying I love Java and will not leave her.

I miss my country sure enough.....to tears in fact.  Honestly, I dream of coming back to Australia.  It factors into my consciousness every . bloody . day.

But my wife and I are joined.  For the rest of our lives. And I could not imagine a better person to spend the rest of my life with.




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Wed 10 Aug 16 #19 
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Love you too, My Luv Bunny!




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Thu 11 Aug 16 #20 
jmaxg
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Kissy, kissy, kissy, mwah, mwah, mwah.  I love you too my wuv muffin.

(please feel free to throw up at this point)

Michigan has it's faults.  But for the moment, it's our home.

Speaking of which....and the title of Greatest Of All Time.....Claressa Fields (21) of Flint, Michigan is scheduled to box in the female, 75kg class on Friday.

At 17 years of age, she was the boxing female gold medal winner in the 75kg class at the London Olympics and is now the current World Champion.

She reminds us (Java and I anyway) of a female Cassius Clay.....ALL aggression, NO excuses.

If you all could do us the honour of watching this formidable athlete on Friday, that would be great.

Her nickname is "T-Rex".




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Thu 11 Aug 16 #21 
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hate to be the one to say GET A ROOM !!.......and i do love you both !

 




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Thu 11 Aug 16 #22 
chooky
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....and a nice bottle of wine and some chocolates and some rose petals!

I think they're just gorgeous!!
I sometimes suspect my husband might refer to me as "The woman who brings my food." & he wouldn"t notice I was gone until he'd run out of clean buffing cloths for his big metal girlfriend.
Love it up, you two!!
 




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Sat 13 Aug 16 #23 
jmaxg
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Just one more thing.....

Claressa Shields did NOT box on Friday, 12 August 2016 as thought.

Why?  Because she is seeded number 1 in the world and got a bye in the first round.  We didn't expect that.

Her first boxing match is Wednesday, 17 August 2016 and a quarter final stoush where she fights the winner of the Chinese Tapei vs Russia match.

She's Claressa Sheilds......it could be a 20 foot tall block of granite with movable arms and she will still win.




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Sat 13 Aug 16 #24 
jmaxg
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And yes, we got a room.

;-)

But really, watch this gal on Wednesday and see why Nike will endorse her and she will become a millionaire.

The story behind that is an already released documentary and a film still in production......it's tough to be a female boxer from Flint, Michigan.

But once she earns her second, everything should be ok.

Stephen Colbert Interview:

Stephen Colbert:  "Why do you like boxing?"

Claressa Shields:  "Because I like hitting people."

Boxing USA later....

Boxing USA: "Please stop saying that.  We can't market you."

jmaxg:  "Well, apparently you didn't have a problem with Floyd Mayweather."

Hashtag: #sexistbullsh%@t!!




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Tue 16 Aug 16 #25 
jmaxg
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Claressa Shields may lose in her quarter final bout on Wednesday.  But I doubt it.

That's her "training face".

I wonder what her serious face is?




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Tue 16 Aug 16 #26 
jmaxg
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Sorry.......another G.O.A.T.

Usian Bolt.......three gold medals for the 100 metres in 3 successive Olympics!

Something never done by anyone, ever, in the history of the World!




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Tue 16 Aug 16 #27 
sally906
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Bolt was amazing!  Definitely a GOAT!




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Tue 16 Aug 16 #28 
jmaxg
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Considering how many races he has won, and one is pretty sure by now he knows where all the cameras are by now, the question has to be asked.  Ummmm......

 

 

Did Usain Bolt just take a remote selfie???

LOL!!




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Thu 18 Aug 16 #29 
jmaxg
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For those that wanted to know, Claressa Shields fought her quarter final bout today.

Claressa fought Yaroslava Yukashina (Russian Federation) and won on points by unanimous decision.

She now faces Dariga Shakimova (Kazakhstan) in one of the two Semi-Finals.  That will play out on Friday, 19 August 2016 at approx. 2:40pm Michigan time.

Claressa is inching closer to her aim of becoming the only boxer (male or female) in history to win two successive gold medals.




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Thu 18 Aug 16 #30 
Ruby Franks (online)
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Claressa Shields is doing fantastically.

 I'm not making claims about which woman is more GOAT - ish than the other but Nicola Adams who has a gold medal from 2012 already has a place in the final of the women's fly on Saturday, so she too is aiming to win 2 successive golds in boxing, and (by what could be a matter of hours) will  be the first woman to have 2 successive finalists boxing medals from the Olympics.

(ashamed of myself, I'm more interested in the sport of pedantry rather than sport itself)

Why has nobody mentioned Michael Phelps in the GOAT context?




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Sat 20 Aug 16 #31 
jmaxg
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Indeed and I'm hoping Nicola will achieve the same thing that Claressa is aiming for......two olympics, two golds.  Both of them achieving a first for boxing olympians.....male or female.

Well anyway, United States female boxer Claressa Shields won her semi-final bout against Kazakhstan and will face Nouchka Fontijn of the Netherlands in the Gold Medal bout on Sunday, 21 August 2016, 1.00pm Michigan time.

About Mr. Phelps?  Give it some time.  People are still coming to grips with the fact he has won more singular awards in history relative to both the modern and ancient olympics as he has now passed Leonidas of Rhodes and his 12 individual awards.  People are gonna scramble about checking statistics just to make sure they get it right.




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Sun 21 Aug 16 #32 
Ruby Franks (online)
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Sorry jmaxg, I'm aiming for gold in pedantry.

I had to look this up, because after Nicola Adams won her final, a commentator mentioned Harry Mallin. A British policeman, he won Olympic boxing titles in 1920 and 1924.

 




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Tue 23 Aug 16 #33 
jmaxg
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Well, as if I had to point it out, I will point it out.....

Claressa Shields won her Gold Medal bout against Nouchka Fontijn of the Netherlands by a unanimous decision.....Sunday, 21 August 2016, and I watched it live.

According to records, she is the only boxer, male or female, to score back to back gold in successive olympics (INCORRECT - see below).

Now, this gal from Flint, Michigan, and her life, is about to change.




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Tue 23 Aug 16 #34 
Ruby Franks (online)
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Hang on, I don't undestand. 'According to records she is the only boxer, male or female to score back to back gold in successive Olympics'

Harry Mallin 1920 and 1924

Nicola Adams 2012 and 2016

and then I got intrigued by commentators saying Nicola was the first British boxer since 1924, and her saying she was the first British amateur for ninety years and wondered whether the Cubans had done it; there it is on Wikipedia, Teofilo Stevenson (of course) and Felix Savon for Cuba, and Lazlo Papp for Hungary have all won 3 successive gold medals in boxing at the Olympics.

I think this  is a reflection of something that always irritates me during major sporting events, the parochialism and nationalism of sporting commentary. Of course its great, and should be celebrated that the country's athletes are doing well but, for instance when Usain Bolt won the 100m, on my radio it was the lead news that he had won and of course it should have been the headline, but then it was followed with the fact that the British athlete was 4th, well who got silver and bronze please BBC? When I looked up Claressa Shields, there was a big banner headline saying 'Claressa makes sporting history' - US sporting history, she is the first American boxer to get 2 golds.

 Age-wise, she certainly has more of a chance of getting the triple than Nicola Adams, roll on 2020. And now I've read a bit about her - what a woman!




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Tue 23 Aug 16 #35 
jmaxg
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Well, actually Ruby, I was gonna pop in and say I mis-spoke.....

PARTICULARLY with Nicola Adams and her Gold Medal wins in 2012 and 2016 but also the Stevenson (Cuba - 1972 to 1980), Savon (Cuba - 1992 to 2000)  and Papp (Hungary - 1948 to 1956) "three-peats".

(also the United States-Oliver Kirk "double-gold" in 1904 where he won in two weight classifications at the same olympics)

You are also right in that Claressa has a chance to have her own "three-peat".  I am hoping that USA Boxing will take her on as a coach/mentor for four years at a six-figure salary per year and I don't see why not......she is young enough, she is obviously skilled in both boxing offence and defence (her dodging and weaving is extraordinary), she is committed to her sport and she is the best female boxer the USA has ever produced, Laila Ali's professional record included.

We have to give her some time for it to sink in, but I fully believe that Claressa will wake up one day and want to take on the "three-peat" challenge.....in which case, we will see her in Tokyo.

And hopefully, she will become one of four, and the only woman.




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Tue 23 Aug 16 #36 
jmaxg
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As for nationalism well, we all love our country of origin.

I was checking out Australia's medal count every single day.  For a country of roughly 27 million, finishing 10th was fine by me.

It's called tribalism and it is "hard-wired" into us.




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Tue 23 Aug 16 #37 
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I have no problems with national pride, but get annoyed when the full podium places in a race aren't given just because a Brit came 4th - there again if I listened to sport programmes rather than news programmes....

As to statistics we can use them any way we want - if there's a count on medals per capita population, I think New Zealand came out on top, interesting to find out who came out on top in terms of money spent per medal won i.e. who got the most value for money. The great thing about the Olympics being multi-national and multi sport, is that most countries can come away each time with  some new achievement.

We've got the Paralympics to have statistical bickers on soon. I'm (parochially) naming Tanni Grey-Thompson as a GOAT for multiple medals and world records, and for being a hard-working Parliamentarian and eloquent disabilities rights campaigner.

Have a look at the trailer by Channel 4 for the Paralympics - the SuperHuman Band performing Yes I Can. I'd try to put a link but I'm really rubbish at that sort of thing.

I love it and have fallen for the (Australian) singer's voice.

 




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Thu 25 Aug 16 #38 
jmaxg
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Have sent a PM to Ruby to get this fixed up.

I wanna see it too.......let's post this sucker!




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Thu 25 Aug 16 #39 
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The British Channel Four Paralympics Intro:




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Thu 25 Aug 16 #40 
jmaxg
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WOW!!!




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Thu 25 Aug 16 #41 
Ruby Franks (online)
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Yup. Thanks jmaxg.




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Thu 25 Aug 16 #42 
jmaxg
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Well worth it.

My pleasure.  I have watched it many times.




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Thu 25 Aug 16 #43 
sally906
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That's so good I googled it and posted on my Facebook!




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Thu 25 Aug 16 #44 
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An awesome video.




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Sat 27 Aug 16 #45 
jmaxg
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Well done Ruby.




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Thu 1 Sep 16 #46 
jmaxg
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I just noticed that none of us said it.

Ok, fine, I'll say it....

Yes I can.

 




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