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Fri 11 Dec 15 #1 
JMK
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What tournaments do you want to see?

We will continue to run the Decathlon (Category-based, individual, Monthly), Kevvie (4 person teams - random challenges bi-monthly), Subjects (Single subjects within a category eg Geography, individual, monthly) and occasionally a Jive or Facta Cup. What else would you like to see?

Random team-based tournaments are easy to set up and run eg Tea for Two or a 3 or 4 person team tourney similar to the Kevvie. These could be theme-based eg people from different countries competing in teams or some other theme - suggestions welcomed.

I can also do single subject-based ones based on any theme, subject or category that has enough subjects in it. These are harder to set up and run so would probably be shorter and less frequent. An example could be a 3 day tourney on the Paintings sub-category.

So what do you want? Can't promise to provide it but would like to see what there is interest for.


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Sat 12 Dec 15 #2 
jackson
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tea for two seemed like a fun one




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Sat 12 Dec 15 #3 
sally906
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I like the two team ones - is it the Java one where everyone picks a name and people are teamed up. So some games teams choose themselves and other games they are assigned - sort of mix and match.  I like subject ones too - language, geography, science  I like maths but do rubbish on timed maths ones as I am a ponderer when it comes to maths, love maths - get it right but not quickly  - still that's the excitement isn't it?  

You make the quizzes and I'll be there front and centre!

 




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Sat 12 Dec 15 #4 
JMK
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Java is the hard subjects one that we team you up for based on your facta ID number. Other team ones are your choice of team members. 




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Sat 12 Dec 15 #5 
tallyho
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My favorite is the factacup.   I also like the Java as it is such crazy topics it sort of levels the playing field. l also like the most recent tea for two.  I know it would be a lot but I would love to see some sort of handicap tournament.  




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Sun 13 Dec 15 #6 
shortbreadforme27
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Tea for Two was a refreshing change.

 




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Mon 14 Dec 15 #7 
rmcmanus
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I liked the Mytherious History and the other subject based ones, even when I'm rubbish at one I can at least get a look in at another.




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Mon 14 Dec 15 #8 
vepa1943
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Glad you asked: All tournaments are special, there is only a league missing, in which everyone get the same set of questions. It should be hard to organize it though...




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Tue 15 Dec 15 #9 
JMK
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Well currently you do get the same questions in the Decathlon and single subject ones. And within a Kevvie challenge all 8 players in one brainoff get the same questions.




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Tue 15 Dec 15 #10 
vepa1943
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Right, and it|s perfect as it is, no need to change that. It's just an idea, to have 2 leagues, e.g. junior and senior factacircuit, of 8-12 players, and everyone plays against each other across the league. You get points for matches consisting of daily challenges. These could be 10 days matches in all 10 categories. So the player who wins 6 challenges or more gets 2 points, and if the match ends 5:5, both players get 1 point for the leaderboard. Of course, there is a need for tracking every challenge, as the play who wins more challenges ranks higher on equal points. Every player has a week to complete a round of 10 challenges, so it would be more than one additional challenge per day. It would be definitely something for everyday players, but also for someone who checks in once per week. It sounds nice to me, but it also sounds as a lot of work. 




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Sun 20 Dec 15 #11 
JMK
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The idea is good but unfortunately that would take an awful lot of work on my part which I don't currently have time for.  Maybe some simplified version of it could be found though.




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Sun 20 Dec 15 #12 
kevg
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I'll look into it




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Mon 21 Dec 15 #13 
TABBYTOES
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WHY? is it down a hole !

 




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Mon 10 Oct 16 #14 
chooky
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I really like vepa1943's league idea although it certainly does seem like a lot of work.
Some theme-based ones like JMK suggested would be really fun.
I should really take the opportunity to apologise to jmaxg for not having a bash at the Pot Black but I didn't want to derp up the proceedings by not properly understanding the rules.




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Tue 11 Oct 16 #15 
jmaxg
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I don't believe I am saying this but......I'll look into it too.

UGH! As if I don't have enough on my plate!

But there is a thought there that needs to be checked out.

vepa1943......expect a pm.




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Tue 11 Oct 16 #16 
jmaxg
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No wukkas chooky.




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Fri 14 Oct 16 #17 
chooky
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Every now & then I browse old threads to see who was talking about what - lots of interesting stuff there - so when the name Susana Sanchez came up in Allan's post, it gave me a thought.  To judge from her posts, she was always so wonderfully friendly & upbeat (JAJAJAJAJA!) and her death left a big hole in the Facta community.  What about something in her name?  Nothing too elaborate, maybe something devoted to inspiratonal people, times of positive change in society? And it would be a nice way to remember/honour a lovely person.




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Fri 14 Oct 16 #18 
jackson
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up till a couple years ago we had a tournament in her honor. i vote for its resurrection.




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Sat 15 Oct 16 #19 
JMK
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Good idea, we haven't had a tournament for her in a while now.




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Sat 15 Oct 16 #20 
jmaxg
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I can't remember now what the subjects were. But I think it was a tournament using our system, JMK and picking subjects that she liked. I can't see why we can't schedule a "once-a-year" thing.

Her son used to participate but he has his own agenda now.

About Susanna Sanchez.........and this is typical of her......

Once, after she asked in a forum about quantum string theory and it was a time when I presumed to know enough and explain the nuts and bolts and responded, she answered me and thanked me for presenting something that was both lyrical and profound.

I admit to being overwhelmed by the gentleness, grace and beauty of her response. People normally answer in rigid, factual terms. She seemed to get the point that quantum mechanics, in and of itself, may be a confusing yet beautiful underlying basis or foundation for that which we call classical physics.

Anyway, Susanna definitely impacted me once.




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Sat 15 Oct 16 #21 
TABBYTOES
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yes bring back the Mexican wave never knew Susan and I regret this she must have beena wonderful lady....loved this quizxxx

 




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Mon 17 Oct 16 #22 
Allan R. Matthes
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I remember we tried to do those Mexican based topics, like states and capitals of them in Mexico, as well as subject Susanna loved like art and literature and poetry and dancing of course. May she never be forgotten.




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Mon 17 Oct 16 #23 
TABBYTOES
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otherpeople too who passed away like thr lovely Soupy xx




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Mon 17 Oct 16 #24 
Bob47
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One  problem seems to be that it is always the same similar bunch of people that experience ultimate success.  Granted, in a facting competition those who know the most facts, or can judge the most likely correct answers should win, but........

The pie competition creates a lot of losers and "nul points".

I am unsure of the amount of work it would entail, but a handicap competiotion would be great fun, allowing even the lesser mortals to gain ultimate success.  Whether the handicap would take the form of the most factaculic entrants starting on a minus score, or the rest of the field having a head start.  The number of points involved for each participant would be calculated using a number of past performances - either daily brainoffs or decathlons or another competition where most members participate.  The actual size of the handicap would be proportional to the number of rounds.

The data is probably there, just needs a few extra columns!

 

 




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Mon 17 Oct 16 #25 
Ruby Franks
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I'd been vaguely thinking about team tournaments. Was the tournament in honour of Susanna a team tournament? Just that I'd been wondering if sometimes - not all the time - teams were randomly put together e.g. every 4th time in the Kevvie, or perhaps at times like around Christmas in the spirit of making new friends and allies, which is why I mentioned the Susanna tournament as those of you who knew her have talked about her reaching out to new people...

Doing that in team games would obviate the necessity to construct handicaps for teams. Would it decrease the popularity of the team games? Players have loyalties to their regular teams. Some teams play together all the time and others are rather more fluid.

I am certainly not against handicapped tournaments for individuals, but can foresee lots of discussion about how the handicaps are to be calculated




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Mon 17 Oct 16 #26 
Ruby Franks
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Hey Bob, factaculic? Like it.




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Tue 18 Oct 16 #27 
JMK
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The Jive team pairs are selected by ID number - the entrants are ranked by ID number from oldest to newest, the line is split in half and one side is flipped so newer members team up with more experienced members. A similar system could be used for a tourney similar to the Kevvie and would be easy to do. Or each person could be given a number and Random Number Generator could be used to place people in teams.

If people are interested I could set that up easily.




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Wed 19 Oct 16 #28 
jmaxg
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I think that's a "Yes".




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Wed 19 Oct 16 #29 
rmcmanus
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what about that competition where you had to score 3 points?  that would give people a better chance.




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Wed 19 Oct 16 #30 
JMK
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Yes, I will run a game of Threes at some stage in the near future, they aer fun. 




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Sun 23 Oct 16 #31 
chooky
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Is the league idea not being considered?  There would enough players to form a junior & a senior & could probably be simplified as JMK suggested.

Also, I notice that a while back, Factacular lost another lovely player - Lucy.  Maybe there could be something in remembrance of popular players like her & Susana & Soupy (who Tabby mentioned) who are no longer with us.




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Sun 23 Oct 16 #32 
JMK
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Will do a memorial tourney at some stage in the near future.

 

The league idea needs some thought to modify it so it isn't too much work on this end. Possibly a modification of the Kevvie but with teams of one.




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Sun 23 Oct 16 #33 
Bob47
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Some of us are not junior anythings! - all in together please - no elitism.




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Sun 23 Oct 16 #34 
chooky
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Wait, what??  Bob47, in your your previous comment you said  'The pie competition creates a lot of losers and nul points', then suggested a hadicap system - 'Whether the handicap would take the form of the most factaculic entrants starting on a minus score, or the rest of the field having a head start.'.  But now it's 'no elitism'.
While 'some of us are not junior anythings' none of us are 'lesser mortals' 
Leagues work well in just about any sport or competitive leasure pastime you can think of. Handicap systems are hard to implement and are open to smurfing (according to my son, this is rife in the online gaming community).

JMK, jamx, java, while any new ideas will inevitably make extra work for you and for anyone who takes care of all the behind-the-scenes stuff, just know that it's always very sincerely appreciated.  I think I can say I speak for all of us.




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Sun 23 Oct 16 #35 
JMK
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The Daily brainoff has league tables, just click on the tabs at the top for monthly or all time scores. Unfortunately they suffer from the same problem that any comp over time will face - not everyone is able to play every day. You can work out the true placings by dividing by the number of games played but this can give false results if someone only plays a few games but does well in them.




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Mon 24 Oct 16 #36 
Ruby Franks
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I thought there might be a bit of discussion.

I had to google 'smurfing'. Who on earth can be bothered?

Surely chooky was talking about a league with a couple of divisions?

Perhaps some nice stats person could do an occasional league table of the brainoff averages (including all who have played over the period). Is it possible to show the average scores at the end of each month?

Everyone has their favourite tournaments whether it is to do with the subject matter, whether it is team or individual play, or the format of the game.

Regular players aren't so numerous that their interest can be stretched over a large variety of games and leagues.

 




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Tue 25 Oct 16 #37 
chooky
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My point exactly, Ruby.

Re working out true placings - how is only playing a few games and doing well a 'false result'?  You could just as easily play double the games & be unlucky with the questions.
I'm not trying to be an argumentitive cow - just putting out there for consideration.

I did have one idea for either a tournament or even just a once off every few months type of thing. People would sign up in the regular way then would be assigned to pairs or teams completely randomly & then each team would complete X amount of brainoffs in X amount of subjects for X days.  "X" being, of course, to be determined.
Again - just putting it out there  : )
 




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Fri 28 Oct 16 #38 
Ruby Franks
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I too like the idea of occasional randomly built partnerships.

There is a new tournament coming up, Pot Black. I see you haven't signed up for it yet, chooky. Give it a try because it is different. It's quite difficult on this site to devise something different; there are only so many variations that can be made on the randomly generated timed quiz. This one allows the players, within limits, to choose their subject and the level at which they wish to play. It also means that players can adjust their tactics each day. The rules look complex and need more attention than the usual Factacular tournaments but I found the last one great fun.

(note to jmaxg: Have you ever thought of devising something nastily competetive where players nominate their oppponents subjects? Or to satisfy Bob's desire for handicapping, where Factacular makes players play their worst subjects? Would anyone participate?)




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Fri 28 Oct 16 #39 
chooky
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Haven't signed up to Pot Black - scared of it    : /

I'm glad there's going to be a memorial thing.
I'd have a go at a 'worst subject' tourney.




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Sat 29 Oct 16 #40 
Ruby Franks
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They are all only games, so of course it doesn't matter who signs up or not, except in general it's about keeping the site running and varied. Scared? Come on now, you're just the sort to do well, but I'm not issuing any challenges, am I? 

I know a smile and a sad, but does that bit of punctation mean a bit wry? (yes, another thing to do with computers, I need a lesson on). I could make a comment about being chicken, but I don't know the punctuation for smiling and then apologising for bad jokes and unkind nagging.




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Sat 29 Oct 16 #41 
chooky
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The  : /  in  my case means uneasy, hesitant, undecided because I'm a little worried I'll look like a   <:-|  because I'm not sure of the game-play & everyone else will be  XD




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Sun 30 Oct 16 #42 
Ruby Franks
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 You can read and you can do sums and you can answer trivia questions. That's all that anyone needs to play it. There is game play which may be needed to get near to the top of the leader board, there again opponents may fall flat on their faces without your help.

I'm not sure everyone grasps all the rules, but it doesn't matter too much, I'm sure jmaxg would answer any questions. My summary is:

Each day everyone gets a GK challenge where they all have to achieve a certain number of points, I think for this tournament it is 800 (NB Ruby, re-read the rules before starting tomorrow) That's the red ball. Having done this you can choose a subject and the range within which you think you can score, that next round is sent to you  and you have to do it within 24 hours. Those are the other colours, and players need to remind themselves of the scoring ranges. Last time I went high-tech, wrote the different ball values on a Post-It and stuck it on  my lap-top.

Game play comes in when you scan the daily score board to see whether you can get ahead of other players and whether you can tease them in to going higher and possibly failing to score. It's not a knock out competition, so if you don't  score one day you can go on to the next.

What is all this hesitancy etc? Its only a game. I have to be honest it did bring out levels of competetiveness in me that I didn't recognise but I had fun and I too am hesitant of over-reaching myself and not doing well. But hey, it's a game and there will be another tournament....

Here are some symbols I do know. XX




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Sun 30 Oct 16 #43 
Ruby Franks
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PS chooky, nor am I trying to force you in to a corner to play Pot Black, I just can't resist a good argument discussion.




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Tue 1 Nov 16 #44 
Ruby Franks
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It's not your feathers I want to ruffle. chooky.

Good to see you are playing Pot Black




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Tue 1 Nov 16 #45 
Ruby Franks
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There has been some chat about different forms of quiz and what could be good on Factacular.

Its good to see that a Memorial quiz has been scheduled.

I've had an idea, I'd like it to promote discussion.

Following on from a bicker with my husband (about the best western movies, he favours John Ford, and I favour Spaghetti), my own little obsession with the way Pot Black runs, and the conversation above, I got one of those little sparks which send you elsewhere and have devised a Factacular quiz format:

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly:

Competitors have to compete on their best subjects (the Good) their worst (the Bad) and something random sent by Factacular (the Ugly).

2 days of Good, 2 days of Bad, 1 day of Ugly.

Good - players can nominate the subject (their favourite or best) they would like to play on the Good days.

Bad - I'm not sure whether players should nominate what they think is their worst subject  or whether Factacular should have a look at statistics from previous games and see what the worst subject is. I know that I may not be honest on on this as I'll always say that I'm rubbish on History but I did OK on the last History tournament. Looking at statistics from Decathlons/Brainoffs/Kevvies would be a fair way of sorting out worst statistics, but extra work for the tournament organiser, also if a new player wanted to come in how could their statistics be found...

Ugly - A subject sent randomly to players  which is neither their Good  or Bad;  the alternative is everyone gets Miscellaneous and if so, Miscellaneous is excluded from the Good choices.

It could be a quiz for individuals, but I think it could work for random teams of three in sychronicity with the title and the discussion above. (Random partnerships, best subjects worst subjects) I like the idea of teams being randomly allocated, but perhaps with an overview from the quiz editor.

Not sure how to sign  off: 

quite pleased with a slightly influenced by intoxication idea; 

 or idiot, I shouldn't post this,

or YAY CHOOKY. (You've been a partner, you've made me giggle and made me think about quizzes)

 




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Wed 2 Nov 16 #46 
chooky
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Back at ya, pard!  : )  xx 
Also, that's a reallly good idea for another game. It would fit with the criteria suggested by some of us.   Love the "ugly" part of the idea - it'd be sure to get us all our of our respective comfort zones.  Could it be given consideration? If not now, some time soon?

Now I'll be off to see if I can stay in my comfort zone in Pot Black. If this were cricket, I'd be essential playing defensive shots - providing I get through the Red Ball I'm going to choose Blue - Music.
 




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