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Tue 3 Nov 15 #1 
jmaxg
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Ben Carson, a Seventh Day Adventist, is laughing his ass off right now.

He shouldn't. Because he's next.

Obviously, the "Trumpinator" was gonna go down.  I just had trouble figuring out the historical equivalent.

FINALLY, the pundits showed up and thought back more than 5 years.

Rudolph Guiliani, Mayor of New York City, remember him?

In the 2007 runup to the 2008 election, Rudy was all OVER the polls.

Then, he slid into insignificance.

The "Donald" is currently undergoing this same slide.

Ben Carson is currently having a hoot and holler.  But have no illusion, he's next.




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Tue 3 Nov 15 #2 
sally906
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so who will end up on top of the pile?  I know nothing about any of them




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Wed 4 Nov 15 #3 
kevg
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It's american politics, whoever wins it will all remain the same. They are all mad.




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Wed 4 Nov 15 #4 
sally906
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KEVVIEEEEEEEEEEE - you're back!!!!!!  Swoooon!




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Wed 4 Nov 15 #5 
kevg
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No I am not, just passing thru.




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Wed 4 Nov 15 #6 
TABBYTOES
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stop getting Sally excited and then letting her down we are holding a collection for her therapy !!!

 




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Wed 4 Nov 15 #7 
Honey Badger
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Get busy.  I am passing through, too. Banana skin!  lol  

 




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Thu 5 Nov 15 #8 
jmaxg
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Take it from me....Trump is dead.

So is Ben Carson.

The funny thing is I saw a documentary and the BEST person from it was Hillary Clinton.

She sounded extrordinary.......knowledgeable and wise, knowing of all her contemporaries.

Why must we hate this woman??




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Thu 5 Nov 15 #9 
USS Palladin
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Well for starters how bout being a lawyer and yet totally being ignorant of the aspects of the law that pertained to her job as a government official? Apparently she and Bill just didn't attend some of those essential courses at law school covering perjury or compliance or just don't feel that trivial things like perjury or how government documents are handled  pertain to them. I guess Yale isn't quite the law school it once was.......

Nixon crucified for missing two minutes on tape and she gets a pass for loosing two months of e mails off her server?

The possible (probable) conflicts of interest between her campaign and the donations made to the Clinton Foundation?

A smart person just like Bill but really insanely stupid in thinking that this gives them a special pass to be above the law. In that respect they are sort of like the Wall Street bankers of the 2008 calamity. When you perceive yourself as one of the "Masters of the Universe" you are above the law.

I could go on. 

 




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Sat 7 Nov 15 #10 
jmaxg
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Oh puhleese!

She was invited as a junior lawyer relative to the Nixon impeachment and still an Arkansas gal and a Goldwater Gal at the same time.

Do you have a point to make?

 




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Sat 7 Nov 15 #11 
jmaxg
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Relative to Sally906 and her famous cousin........

I will say this shortly......and I have NEVER been wrong.

Your cousin will become the next president of the United States of America.

Just, be proud.




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Sat 7 Nov 15 #12 
sally906
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Hope so - has been a few years since we've had a Chistmas Card from the Whitehouse ;)




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Sat 7 Nov 15 #13 
Honey Badger
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You do know that Hillary Clinton was fired from the committee investigating Watergate for LYING?  Yep, she was.  It shouldn't surprise anyone.  Bill and Hill just don't try to live by the same standard as anyone else.  She could very well be indicted for her trespasses.  I wouldn't put it past your other Joyboy, Mr. O, to stab her in the back before this election is over.  The fact of the matter is they are lawless people.    




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Sat 7 Nov 15 #14 
Honey Badger
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I am particularly interested in the deals the couple made while Hillary was Secretary of State.  I also would like to know how much of the money donated to the Haitians Earthquake Relief Fund, over which Bill C. along with George W. Bush were overseeing..  It seems that very little rebuilding has actually been done.  WHY?




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Sun 8 Nov 15 #15 
sally906
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What a surprise - a politician telling lies. They ALL tell lies. Doesn't matter what country, what party what level of government. Be they local council members or rulers of countries. They lie.  I don't know why this is a problem. Or why the follower of one political persuasion accuses someone of another persuasion of lying. It's not a surprise.  




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Sun 8 Nov 15 #16 
TABBYTOES
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I wouls not accept some peoples 'facts' without an extensive check !!!




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Sun 8 Nov 15 #17 
Honey Badger
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So, Sally, you don't feel offended when a public servant, who is paid by your tax dollars lies to you?  I think it is despicable.  




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Sun 8 Nov 15 #18 
TABBYTOES
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HB I mean I wouls always check your so called 'facts'  we all remember those !

 




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Mon 9 Nov 15 #19 
sally906
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I didn't say I wasn't offended - I merely said they all do it - nothing you can do except vote the lying person out of office and vote in another lying person




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Mon 9 Nov 15 #20 
USS Palladin
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Politicians lie, it is what they do. :-)

Doesn't mean they are above the law no should they be able to plead ignorance of the law as an excuse. Especially when they are trained as lawyers. 

Bill Clinton was disbarred and may still be for his actions while President. Hilary is a lawyer, she knows better or at least I think she should. 




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Tue 10 Nov 15 #21 
jmaxg
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Oh, c'mon skipper.....really?

"Bill Clinton was disbarred"

"Hillary was ejected from an investigating committee"

NONE of that is true EXCEPT if you wish to apply it to Bill Clinton's impeachment which was, as we should know, not complete.  In fact, as is the procedure, the US Senate found him innocent.

Now, if some asshole state bar, stacked with republicans, want's to take away his right to practice law AFTER he was president?  Umm...ok. I assume that was expected?

As for Hillary?

I appreciate that she currently holds more credentials than her husband ever held, even as US President.  But why is that the reason to beat her up?  I would have thought that means she has MORE than what it takes to be the next US President.

Now, I admit, Bill Clinton could have put up a BIGGER opposition to the REPUBLICAN bill that reversed the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, but he didn't and that has as much to do with republican political maneuvering as anything else.  Republicans, in some way, had the president by the "short and curlies".

Asking why that happened from Hillary Clinton is a moot point.  President Clinton was the weak one.  In any case, "derivates" , albeit not thought of in 1990, were technically legal after that point.

GIVEN all of that, I have never, EVER seen a public service person so utterly qualified for the position of President of the United States as Hillar Rodham Clinton in recent memory.




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Tue 10 Nov 15 #22 
jmaxg
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"This Is A joke"

I am Ben Carson........I am having a dinner with General Westmoreland.

He is not present at the time, but I wrote it down.

When I was a teenager, I stabbed someone.  I don't know who or when or even if it was some crazy dream.  But DON'T challenge me about it because I may get upset.

By the way, I wish to be PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

By the way, stop asking me difficult questions.  Even though I should asked difficult question, I am sensitive and find the whole thing uncomfortable.

But PLEASE, choose me to be your next President.

I thank you as does my dental floss company and my mother




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Tue 10 Nov 15 #23 
kevg
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I still refuse to stand for President, too many nutjobs in that country !!

 




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Tue 10 Nov 15 #24 
USS Palladin
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Get your facts straight my man. Clinton was disbarred (suspended?) but he was not impeached. 

Apparently state bar associations have higher standards than the U.S. Senate. 

https://www.quora.com/Why-was-former-U-S-President-Bill-Clinton-disbarred-from-practicing-law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_v._Jones

In both of those articles the term dibarrment is used although one does use the term suspension of license. Either way he lost his right to practice law because he broke the law. 

I guess I should ask you to prove that the Arkansas state bar was packed with Republicans.

I think that is just speculation on your part. 

By the time he repealed the Glass Steagall Act it was late in his term, I really doubt that they had him by the short hairs then unlike earlier in his second term when he was impeached. To say he signed it because he was afraid of Republicans that late in his term when he had already survivied impeachment is ridiculous. 

HRC has a lot of qualifications I don't deny that, the POINT is she is a lawyer. I can't, you can't and she SHOULDN'T be able to get away with an ignorance of the law excuse, not when your profession is the LAW. She is a lawyer you know......

Finally out of all the candidates I have to admire Mr. Sanders integrity. When it comes to big money he refuses it. He talks the talk and walks the walk. I wish the all the others did the same in both parties. 




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Tue 10 Nov 15 #25 
TABBYTOES
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you fool Kev I told you to stand as leader of the labour Party !!!




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Wed 11 Nov 15 #26 
shortbreadforme27
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Yes Kev your fault - now we have JC and The Reds to contend with.




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Thu 12 Nov 15 #27 
TABBYTOES
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American reds or me ......big difference xx

 




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Thu 12 Nov 15 #28 
jmaxg
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Did anyone see the HBO documentary, "The Diplomat"?

It was about the late Ambassador Richard Holbrook, a man of 40 years standing in the US State Department.

He was the guy that basically convinced Slobodan Milosevic and General Ratko Mladic that they had nowhere to go relative to the Serbian conflict of the late 1980s and early 1990s.  In so doing, he prevented from getting worse a genocide that had already started.

He had back up.  HRC's husband, the President of the United States, inferred "I am gonna eff you up with Apache helicopter squadrons designed to pick you out and make you dead."

It worked. Slobodan and Ratko were given up to the system at large only after the Apache's abilities were proven a couple of times. In retrospect, Richard Holbrook is considered the "finaliser" of the Serbian conflict.

Many years later, Richard Holbrook had to interview for the position of Secretary of State.

Hillary Rodham Clinton got the job BUT she was amazed she got it over him.

If you watch the documentary, you see a perfectly accomplished chief public servant give astonishingly good credit.

When she set up her office, she made sure Richard Holbrook was her closest advisor




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Thu 12 Nov 15 #29 
jmaxg
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To me, that seems like leadership.

Yes, leadership by a female.

It not only can happen, it's supposed to happen according to history.




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Fri 13 Nov 15 #30 
kevg
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Not leadership, position grabbing. If she was a leader she wouldn't have contested against him when she knew he was better.




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Sat 14 Nov 15 #31 
jmaxg
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LOL

Ummm. Sorry Kevg.  You may be shit outta luck.




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Sat 14 Nov 15 #32 
jmaxg
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Last night, Donald Trump raved.  So much so that his own crowd were quiet.

The normal press didn't pick up, but I did.

In the interim, Trump has slid by 4 points.

Ben Carson is next.




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Thu 19 Nov 15 #33 
Honey Badger
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Small point but "the impeachment" of Bill Clinton was done.  What wasn't completed, regretfully, was the CONVICTION, of that rascal and scoundrel.   He was IMPEACHED as soon as the articles of IMPEACHMENT were drawn up.  Once the Senate holds the trial and convicts him, he can be removed from office.   That is the way it works.  In the case of Bill Clinton he is a disgraced President so he should keep quiet and hide out in Arkansas with the armadillos.  That is my opinion, but the impeachment info is correct.




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Thu 19 Nov 15 #34 
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Ben Carson is way down, as you predicted, but Donald Trump is way up.  Look up daily polling in Republican Presidental Polls 2016.  You may be surprised at the results.




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Thu 19 Nov 15 #35 
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Hillary's closest advisor seems to have been Sydney Blumenthal, and she was expressly told not to communicate with him about Top Secret information.  So why did she?  Why would she start following the law while Secretary of State?  (She also has Huma Abudin, whose parents are both involved with the Muslim Brotherhood:fact)

HRC got the job of Secretary of State as part of a deal with BHO.  He would be president first and she would be SOS, then she would run for POTUS.  Here's my guess: BHO will ultimately stab her in the back.  Time will tell.  The Clintons and the Obamas hate each other.  I hope you know that.




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Fri 20 Nov 15 #36 
jmaxg
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My LORD after "Paris - Friday, the 13th", Ben Carson was IGNORED utterley for 7 days!

Ben don't give a crap because he has a book deal.

But GEEZ!  Complete press ignorance for 7 days?

It's the nomination of the Republican party Dr. Carson.

Those 7 non-days did not help you.




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Fri 20 Nov 15 #37 
Honey Badger
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It doesn't matter.  Ben Carson is a laudable man but I doubt he will win the nomination, though he may win the Iowa caucus because of his creationist religious beliefs.

If you want a real candidate for the Democrat nomination look out for Elizabeth Warren, old Fauxahontas herself.  She is a far left as they come, can speak beautifully, and believe it or not, she had me listening to her and sort of thinking "Hey, she is smart and has pretty good ideas"  then THUD!  The heavy boot of statism nearly crushed me and took my breath away.  If she can to that to ME, can you imagine what she will do to the liberals in this country?  Warren makes HRC look like a flea.




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Sat 21 Nov 15 #38 
jmaxg
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Errrr........HB?  Elizabeth Warren disqualified herself from the 2016 presidential campaign over six months ago.

Is she a political force to be reckoned with?  Well, yes, she's actually quite scary relative to how effective, astute and knowledgable she is.

But according to her, she still has public works to accomplish as a senator.......like undoing the undoing of the "Glass-Steagall Act".

Small, paltry stuff that will have ENORMOUS implications for middle to lower class Americans, and the rest of the world.




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Sat 21 Nov 15 #39 
USS Palladin
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The middle class didn't have problems before the undoing of the Glass Steagall Act? Hardly and going back to it won't do a thing about helping the middle class either. 

A better question would be why does the Federal Government continue to devalue our money?

Since the 1970's it  has steadily been worth less and less and you can't tell me that doesn't hurt the middle class. 




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Tue 24 Nov 15 #40 
jmaxg
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So, what's the alternative skipper?  Reaganomics?

I think it's been proven, many times over, that companies that were expected to "trickle down", didn't.  Why?  It's called being greedy,  Human nature,  Whatever.  But "Reaganomics" was WRONG.

THAT is the reason why the middle class of today isn't the middle class of old.  Reagan was WRONG and later presidents like Clinton screwed up by allowing the dissolving  of certain vital legislative precedence.

This has happened before back just before the turn of the 19th and 20th century and it was solved by legislation.

The question is, can it happen again.




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Tue 24 Nov 15 #41 
Honey Badger
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I'll answer you tomorrow.  I am too tired to write now.  I know exactly what has to be done.

 




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Wed 25 Nov 15 #42 
USS Palladin
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Jmax why do you think re instating Glass Steagall will help the middle class? 

We already have Frank Dodd in response to the 2008 financial crisis. Some banks already feel that it restrains them too much. 




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Thu 26 Nov 15 #43 
jmaxg
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Skip?  For real?

The undoing of the Glass-Stegall Act of 1933 by President Clinton meant that funds meant for savings accounts could be used for investment WITHOUT the permission of the people that put their bucks into the system,

It literally is and will continue to be, the opposite of "It's a Wonderful Life" and the efforts of George Bailey.




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Thu 26 Nov 15 #44 
USS Palladin
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And Frank Dodd puts restrictions back on banks. Limiting how they invest. So I ask again, how does re instating Glass Steagall help the middle class?  The FDIC would still be there. I suppose it would limit any future bank bailouts and thus money wouldn't have to be printed up to pay for it. But for the life of me I can see how re instatment helps the middle class economically. 




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Tue 1 Dec 15 #45 
jmaxg
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Just because you have a lack of knowledge of history does not mean you have the right to boss yourself around.

Re-instigating the "Glass-Steagall" act of 1933 means that banks and other major financial institutions will have to re-organise themselves back to the status of "savings banks" and "investment banks" and NEVER the twain shall meet.

Explaining to folks that when President Clinton undid that ONE act, it put into action a series of events that enabled scores of financial managers to do whatever they wanted, they are probably gonna think "Eh, got nothin' to do with me."

Actually, it had everything to do with you.




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Tue 1 Dec 15 #46 
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But, in the meantime, I wondered.

IS there an example that one can present to Americans that puts Donald Trump into perspective?

Ummm, yes.  Back in the 1970s, us Orstralians were enamoured by our (then) greatest Member of Parliament and Minister for the "Yartz".

Ladies and gentlemen, I present, the Australian Donald Trump:

Sir Les Patterson - Former Minister for the 'Yartz'

Some of you will get the joke.  Some, obviously, will not.




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Tue 1 Dec 15 #47 
USS Palladin
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Lack of knowledge of history eh....ok this coming from a guy that didn't even know that Israel blockades the Gaza strip or that Clinton was disbarred. Next joke.......

Makes me wonder if you even understand Frank Dodd and its consequences so to put it on the other  hand your lack of economic knowledge doesn't give you the right to boss around. :-)

So maybe you should ask yourself this question. Maybe you can answer it for me. Why is the recovery since 2009 the weakest on record? Why do companies continue to use their capital to invest in stock buybacks and dividends when usually they would take all that cheap capital and spend it on things to increase productivity? Why are we again approaching a liquidity crises? Your answer will of course be greed, it is your typical knee jerk reaction but that isn't the whole answer. 

Finally since you don't know or can't tell me why I will say that going back to Glass Steagall will cost hundreds of jobs. Whether you like it or not, and I will say that repealing it did open a pandoras box of good and bad, it did create thousands of jobs in the finance industry. We don't need to go back to Glass Steagall because Frank Dodd corrects a lot of the mistakes made when GS was repealed. I know this is true because banks are always trying to get provisions of FD repealed. Finally the Fed says it is enough too as FD requires huge capital reserves and allows the Fed to say just this week that it will no longer bail out private entities. While it implies that it won't  help out insurance companies like AIG and the like it also implies all the big banks. They are finally to big to fail but they can't fail because the money they would have spent on investments has to go to capital reserve. 




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Thu 3 Dec 15 #48 
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Just because I am an imported American (green card) that refuses to be an actual American (citizenship costs over a thousand dollars), does NOT mean I don't know my history.

For instance, most Americans feel that the Pearl Harbor attack by the Japanese on America was a sneak attack with no provocation.  In fact it was a reply to an event back in 1852 when the United States forced a closed Japan, at gunpoint, APPLIED gunpoint, to conduct open trade.  An event "explained away" after many years of diplomacy, an event RE-WRITTEN by American diplomats.

So gimme a break when an American tells me I am getting it wrong.

For a start, it's "Dodd-Frank" and not "Frank Dodd" and the legislation itself is it's biggest problem.

The problem with "Dodd-Frank" is that, specifically, it depends on a bi-partisan committee relative to anything suggested or presented.  Does that mean a bill created and passed mean that it, in turn, relies on future votes?  Yup.  How screwed up is that!

As for the weakest recovery, I am not sure where you get that from.  I know this; the American Middle Class has lost value since "Reaganomics" and continues to lose it to this day.

It is obviously apparent that "trickle down" was a license to profit and that workers can go stuff themselves.  Mind you, that is a statement backed up by every retrospective Excel graph or chart EVER imagined since 1989.

As for the repealing of the repealing of the "Glass-Steagall Act of 1933". you know Skip, as well as I do, it's not going to happen.  Maybe Bernie Sanders wants it back, I know Elizabeth Warren does.  But it's not part of Hillary Cinton's agenda.  It's not a game changer for me.  I just want her to work with what she's got and be a good, maybe great American president.

(if anyone wants a fuller explanation of the Glass-Steagall Act, you are welcome to private message me)

My wife loves that I don't watch Fox News, yet I still get annoyed at Eugene Robinson because sometimes, I feel he hasn't done enough homework.

(Washington Post reporter and MSNBC contributor)

My biggest complaint about America is that the "First Amendment" is NOT taken advantage of.  The press, even when allowed by the Constitution of the United States of America, act in such a "controlled" sense.  They are, in fact, America's biggest embarrassment.

Given so much power, they linp to a "paid off" corner.

 

 




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Thu 3 Dec 15 #49 
jmaxg
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To repeat the message again, as if it has to be repeated......

Or just to make it clear......

He's Donald effing Trump!  A di**k of the highest order and a low life that actually insists he didn't insult even when all of us can see the video!

He insults most of us, inspires nobody, twerks the system to his advantage and makes the American voter look like a fool.

Well, Donald, there is a difference between polls and being President of the United States of America.

That difference being the Democratic vote and 40.5 percent of swing voters.

But you are not gonna get past the Republican National Convention anyway.




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Thu 3 Dec 15 #50 
USS Palladin
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Look at the following charts, I figured visual was easier for you and tell me this isn't the weakest recovery on record based on comparsions to other recessions. 

http://econsnapshot.com/category/recessions-and-recoveries/

Facts......they can be so annoying. :-)

And Japan was getting even with us for forcing open trade? Wow most historians think it was because we were restricting their access to needed raw materials. Interesting theory but I am not going to put much stock in it. Geez they were allied with the Entente in World War one and we were an associated power with the Entente so if they were still so mad at Commodore Perry for opening up Japan why didn't they join with Germany in fighting us then? They had an adequate Navy. 

 




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Sat 5 Dec 15 #51 
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Actually, Britain had tried the same thing back in 1839 against China and it became what is known as the "Opium Wars".

China tried to resist and were held at gunpoint by the British. The rest of the story is disgusting and a low point in British, and WORLD history.

America chose to copy it against Japan and that's where "Matthew C. Perry" comes into it.

The fact that most of American citizens are not aware of that part of American history is nobodies fault but America itself.




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Sat 5 Dec 15 #52 
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Yeah we did force Japan to trade with us at gunpoint in the 1850's but still......90 years had passed long time to get even don't you think?

Ok I get what you are going for. This article is pretty good and I can see your point. 

http://www.slate.com/blogs/quora/2014/07/07/what_prompted_japan_s_aggression_before_and_during_world_war_ii.html




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Tue 8 Dec 15 #53 
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The United States turned up in 1852 and went all bossy n' shit on a country that had been isolationist and isolated for over a thousand years.

A feudal society?  Yes.  But in the pre 1852 Japanese feudal society, things worked.  Warlords looked after land and protected their serfs.  The Samurai were their police force and they did their job with devastating proficiency.  There were wars, but the Japanese Shogun had the last word in such cases.

A stunning 1,000 year old working society and we decided to move on in and screw it all up.

To think that Japan would've been "ok with that" after 1852 is the extreme of wishful thinking.

It took a long time, but December 7th and Pearl Harbor was their reply.




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Tue 8 Dec 15 #54 
USS Palladin
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Like I said it is a valid point of view....for some.

Like I said it seems odd that they waited almost 90 years to get even especially since they were our allies in World War One. 

But it is all interesting.




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Thu 10 Dec 15 #55 
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Going through why Japan was an ally in Word War One is forgetting the shock effect from being slapped in the face.  For a time, Japan was in turmoil.  It took decades for them to re-assert their national identity.  The fact that, to this very day, the "Shogun" is still the ceremonial head of the Japanese defence force is a credit to them.

Many military leaders, around the world, have studied the tactics of historical Japanese Shoguns and Warlords.  That should be no surprise.

To be born in that time, if my role in life was to be a samurai, or to be an officer that commanded them, it would have been a life that I feel was deeply honourable and beautifully reconciled in death if it came to that.

But we are NOT Japanese samurai.  We instead are people that don't know how to handle a bunch of idiots that call themself a "nation" even if we all know they are not.  These fools claim to run terrorism even when they have little ability and limited facilities except for social media.

Look, if you want to destroy ISIS/ISIL, then easy.  I mean it.....easy.

The following forces need to combine:

  • The British SAS
  • The Australian and New Zealand SASR
  • The American Rangers and Navy Seals
  • The Royal Ghurka Regiment
  • The Russian Spetznatz
  • The German G14
  • and finally, the covert French Foreign Legion.

Combine those forces in a cohesive way, ISIS/ISIL will cease to exist in six months, guaranteed.




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Thu 10 Dec 15 #56 
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Okay, back to Donald Trump.....

(yawn)

Now he said the "No Muslims Allowed" thing, we have to deal with the practicalities.

For example:

Person just got off of airplane:  "Hello."

Custom Guy:  "Are you a Muslim?"

Person just got off of airplane:  "Yes."

Custom Guy:  "Umm, you can't come in."

Person just got off of airplane:  "Ahh.  What do I do now?"

Custom Guy:  "Talking to my boss already"

What's supposed to happen now?  Put them in a hotel?  Throw them a sleeping bag?  Set up a tent?

Donald Trump is gonna say "Our foreign exit ports will tell them before they fly"

He's wrong.  Foreign unions will guarantee that ALL exiting countries will not mention the incoming American qualification.

Apparently, because of the stuff Trump is too stupid to think of, America will have to set up, I dunno, maybe ranges of free ranging people.

You can't just send them back if they are Muslim.  You know that, right?




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Sat 12 Dec 15 #57 
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Very stupid scenario.  What was your position and rank in the Australian Armed forces and is that where you learned every thing about every topic in the world???  Astounding.

You just like to blab on and on about anything that comes nto your mind.    Well, go right ahead but how about pointing out all the truly stupid things Obama has done, like calling Isis under control!  How ridiculous.  It is worse that ever and as far as it needing to take 6 months to do away with it I think that would be much shorter if we just got some allies in there and set the oil fields on fire, realized that the Turks, Russians and Syrians (Assad;s people) are all ruining our success. So what do we do them?  Figure it out, bright eyes.

 

As far as Muslims entering the US, and I don't care what other countries do, I say yes I think we have to know who is coming in,. This is a sovereign nation and suitable immigrants will be admitted, but a PAUSE is needed to be certain we are not letting radicalized Muslims in because they want to kill us.   When the great immigrations happened back starting in the 1870s people were held at Ellis Island until they were cleared. Nobody complained then.  Nobody should complain now,  We are at war, whether you like it or not.

I am going to see how much Trump went up in the polls since he spoke the truth about he radical Muslims.

 




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Sat 12 Dec 15 #58 
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Tell me someone - if by some extreme stroke of horrendously bad luck Trump becomes President - are there political checks and balances to clip his wings and prevent him from ending the world?  I can imagine him taking control as a dictatorship - doing away with democracy and keeping the US under military control.  

Mind you one of our political analysts thinks that Trump is putting it on - deliberately being controversial to lure in the crazies to win the primary vote. Once he becomes the republican candidate he will moderate his views to lure in the wider American public.

Interesting concept. 




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Sun 13 Dec 15 #59 
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Checks and balances should work here but I am not so sure. Recent Presidents have become enamored with "Executive Orders" when they can't get Congress to agree with them. I am not against Executive Orders per se as the world moves really fast now but they should be used with more discretion IMO. 




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Mon 14 Dec 15 #60 
Honey Badger
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You are worried about Trump?  You should be worrying about Obama and Hillary. They have no regard for checks and balances.




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Tue 15 Dec 15 #61 
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"Very stupid scenario.  What was your position and rank in the Australian Armed forces and is that where you learned every thing about every topic in the world???  Astounding."

Not every topic.  But I was trained to be a specialist in administration and the fact of the matter is, given the Constitution of the United States, stopping Muslims from entering the United States is illegal.

How good at my job was I?

When I found out that regulations didn't suit my soldiers, I got those regulations changed. I actually got legislation amended. That's how fucking good I am.
 

Donald Trump cannot do that......ban Muslims.  Even if he became president, it still could not happen.

It's called the Constitution of the United States.

 




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Thu 17 Dec 15 #62 
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I apologise for being so boistrous.

Do I know of any of my contemporeries that did what I did?  That were willing to take the chance on behalf of my people that I did?

The fact is, administrators are usually nowhere near as brave.  Some are, most aren't.

But some of us LIVE for our plebs. We get up in the morning just for them.

Our life is systems decreed by books and laws.  But some of us, when seeing a law enacted, and a soldier disadvantaged, we go all "that ain't right" on their legal ass and get laws changed.

It was just once.  But it was just me.  I decided that the answer on behalf of my soldiers was not good enough so I changed it.

Knowing how to do that was part of what made it so great.  I did.  Nobody else had a clue.

The Australian Army taught me to be an adminstrative animal.  They taught me to LOVE that which enables me to advise and consent regardless of the issue.

My teaching is the best in the world, without question even if questioned.

Being the best when surrounded by those that claim to be the best can be weird.

America's Navy Seals actually screw up more than they succeed.  The British SAS are also not all that effective.

Australia and New Zealand's SASR have proven time and again that they are the covert army of choice.

You wanna beat these ISIL shits?  Stop being so proud.

 

 




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Fri 18 Dec 15 #63 
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I was heartened to hear that quite a few Arab states are going to unite against ISIL - haven't heard the full details but this is a huge step. 




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Sat 19 Dec 15 #64 
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I totally agree sally,




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Sat 19 Dec 15 #65 
jmaxg
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The Bernie Sanders Data Breach Issue

Ok, so the Bernie camp is accused of accessing the Clinton camp's stuff.

I don't think it's true and I'll tell you why.....

The DNC probably used something called an "SQL System" provided by an outsourced company.

Just like the MS Access systems of old, even though they COULD structure and code to prevent security breaches, they don't because of contract and payment issues.

Actually coding it so Sanders people cannot see Clinton data and vice-versa is easy.  The fact that it happened should be attributed to the company that the DNC chose and that IS the point.

I could have done that and made sure it happened.

I was not asked so, if I give a shit, well that's another thing.




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Sun 20 Dec 15 #66 
USS Palladin
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Did Sanders staff look at her stuff or were they good boys and girls and said that this was inappropriate and we should tell the DNC right away. I bet they peeked. :-) I would also be they spent those few minutes looking at her donor list. :-)

I see he has gotten back his access anyway so just another political tempest in a teapot. 




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Wed 23 Dec 15 #67 
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The Constitution of the USA if for the protection of citizens or legal aliens only.  There is a statute, jmaxg, and it is late and I don't have a file cabinet of things here to counter your false claims, but, yes, we can most certainly keep Muslims out.  You may not like it, but it is true.

 

I agree with you, Sally.  The Arab states should be doing a good deal more.  I hope they do.

 

It looks as if Hillary's lead is slipping a bit..  Old Bernie, and I do mean OLD, is getting a bit closer than people had thought possible.

 




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Wed 23 Dec 15 #68 
Honey Badger
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What are you talking about?  Stop being so proud?  We, the people, want to beat them.  OUR PRESIDENT seems to be too PROUD!




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Thu 24 Dec 15 #69 
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We have bigger issues.

Donald Trump is using swear words now.

Will that get him to the Republican Nomination?




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Sun 3 Jan 16 #70 
Honey Badger
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Maybe it effing will.




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Tue 5 Jan 16 #71 
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And maybe his current effort to bring in Bill Clinton's "indescretions" will help him?

Dunno about that.  For a start, Trump himself squired several women whilst married and trying to get away from Ivana.  He can spin it anyway he likes, but it was what it was.

Also, and this is a biggie, he blames Hillary Clinton for it. He claims that Hillary "enabled" Bill Clinton.  In so doing, he basically claims that ALL females are responsible for disfunctional husbands.

Ohhhh dear!  Given that the female vote is almost 46% of the independent vote, that could be the most colossal political bungle of all time.

But rest assured, Donald knows what he's doing.

Just ask him.




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Tue 5 Jan 16 #72 
sally906
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This is said by a man who has had how many wives? 3? 4?  And was committing adulatory himself as well as abusing at least one of his wives. Let him without sin throw the first stone. 




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Tue 5 Jan 16 #73 
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Childish name calling by all sides. Politics has sunk so low in the last 30-40 years, I don't remember Winston or Roosevelt getting pulled up on indiscretions. We need a war, a real war, against a proper enemy. Not pyjama wearing f*ckwits. Any takers on that ??

 




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Thu 7 Jan 16 #74 
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It's kinda more than that, kev, me old duffa.

Trump is pointing a finger that, itself, is covered in the same excrement he's trying to fling.....as our sally pointed out.

Worser still, according to Trump, it's a woman's fault.

BUT, we assume that Trump, the pre-primary or pre-caucas candidate, will be the same after the initial state processes of New Hampshire and/or Iowa.  He may well be the same in his mind.  But statistically and historically, he may get irreparately damaged.

BUT, again, he may not.  Especially if he picks up a win in EITHER New Hampshire or Iowa.  Why does this make a difference?  Statistically, it's supposed to mean that candidate has a good chance to secure the republican nomination.

Does it always work?  I dunno, ask Rick Santorum.

TRUMP'S NEW 'BIRTHER' ATTACK

But about the Donaldo and his current attack on Senator Ted Cruz and his eligibility to be president?

Me and the missus have discussed this.  It won't work because Cruz was, in fact, born in Calgary, Canada BUT........his mother was an American, natural born citizen from Delaware.  That means, upon birth, he must be attributed all the rights and privileges expected as a citizen of the United States.

End of the story, right?  HANG ON A SECOND.....

Ted Cruz's mother went to Calgary, Canada and gave birth SPECIFICALLY so he could be considered a "dual citizen".  Ok, got that.

But Java and I thought, just through common sense, THIS must be considered:

  • You can be considered a citizen of Calgary, Canada
  • You can be considered a citizen of the United States by virtue of your mother coming to Canada and giving birth there.
  • But a "natural born citizen"?  Surely you can't be considered a "natural born citizen" in two countries at the same time?

Look, me and the missus were just trying to be mischievious.  But, if it ever got to a court?  Ehhhh.....don't think that Congress would decide the issue all that quickly.

Not that we think that Trump is responsible for this either.  Trump himself is a tool.  His staff came up with it.

This is SUCH an interesting election.




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Sun 10 Jan 16 #75 
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Regarding Hillary's state of affairs, no pun intended, her supposed stand for women is nauseating and false.  The most despicable thing she every did, and she did it, was to defend, DEFEND, as in represented in court, the rapist of a TWELVE YR OLD GIRL, who was hospitalized for quite a while following the attack and was left unable to HAVE CHILDREN!!!  HILLARY holds his acquittal  up as one of her greatest victories.  I think she is a total pig for her attitude.  It shows, as do so many things she does, that she doesn't know right from wrong nor does she care!  I hope she gets indicted by the FBI for the crimes she has commited with her shady email doings.  I Think all Americans deserve a better choice than HRC.  When Loretta Lynch refuses o prosecute her it will all turn into a raging circus here.

As for Donald Trump, he didn't commit adultery while he was in office. And he made his own money after turning his 27 million dollar inheritance from his father.  He didn't steal the money like the Clintons are dong through the Clinton Foundation.  I am not even going to bother going on with this because I AM RIGHT and THE CLINTONS are evil, criminal people.

I would like to know where you came up with the statistic that 46 % of independent voters are women?  

You had better face something.  Trump is going to win. Rubio is a useless, lying punk and Cruz s a good man but has not so much appeal when he starts acting like Elmer Gantry.  The only way Trump will use is if the RNC decides it is going to manipulate the election. There will be hell to pay if they do.  WE independents are sick of their antics as much as we are sick of that pathetic creature who fancies himself to be president when Valerie Jarrett is running the show.  WAKE UP!  She needs to be kicked out of the White House now!

Finally, I would like to know, Sally,your source for Trumps "abusing" his wife.  I have never heard a word about this so maybe your source was a tabloid or a trash paper at the supermarket check out.  I would like to know.  

 




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Sun 10 Jan 16 #76 
TABBYTOES
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So HB all your own dubious sources provr you Right !!!   you my dear cast far too many stones




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Tue 12 Jan 16 #77 
jmaxg
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Well, let us check this out.

Honey Badger has made EXACT accusations.  The least we can do is prove her a liar which, strangely enough, has been done before.

Accusation No 1:  Hillary Clinton defended a guy that was accused of raping a 12 year old girl.

Reverse Accusation No 2:  Donald Trump DID NOT commit adultery.

Reverse Accusation No 3:  Donald Trump IS NOT abusive.

Ok, fine, the accusations have been made.  Anyone care to comment?




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Tue 12 Jan 16 #78 
jmaxg
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Regarding "Accusation No 1", the law is a complex thing and I would be careful about listening to prejudiced lay-people as opposed to those actually involved.

Honey Badger is gonna be all about stressing a 12 year old got raped and why was Hillary Clinton involved?  She defended the guy accused? 

The trouble is we don't know the case.

Honey Badger is using the lowest trick available......guilt by association.

That's all she's got.  We don't know if it's true or not.  But that's all she's got.

Honey Badger is true to form.........callous, low, and uncaring if stuff is true or not.




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Tue 19 Jan 16 #79 
jmaxg
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As for Trump, I am confused as hell.

NOT ABOUT Cruz!  Ted Cruz is as low as it gets.

The "Ted Crus, birther argument"?

I KNOW the circumstances.  Any opinions out there?




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Wed 20 Jan 16 #80 
sally906
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As a member of the world community I can sleep easy in my bed on hearing Sarah Palin has endorsed Donald Trump - NOT!!!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-20/key-conservative-sarah-palin-endorses-trump-for-president/7100722

 




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Wed 20 Jan 16 #81 
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This does not surprise me in the least. It is in keeping with my opinion of her.

I am hoping there enough Americans who see Trump for the racist, misogynist and politically incompetent person that he is, because if there aren't we should all be very, very afraid.




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Wed 20 Jan 16 #82 
sally906
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I am behind you 100% JMK.

Although there is the theory that he is only being like this to get the red neck nomination - once he gets that then he will then go after the general public vote and will change/tone down/about face even  his retoric substatially.

 




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Thu 21 Jan 16 #83 
jmaxg
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The New York Daily Times headline......

Trump and Palin pointing at each other......

The caption:  "I'M WITH STUPID"

I would just like to say that even if that was about Hillary Clinton, I would still have laughed.




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Thu 21 Jan 16 #84 
sally906
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LOL - I love it :)




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Sat 23 Jan 16 #85 
Honey Badger
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I believe that was the headline on the NY Daily News.  There is no paper called the New York Daily Times.  Look, I am not crazy about Sarah Palin but I like her a million times better than Hillary Clinton. I do not feel that Trump is a mysogynistic pig, a racist or any of the things you people fear.  I think HE woud be good for America.  Sarah Palin just gave him her endorsement. So she likes him....big deal!  Just relax about this idiocy being promulgated by people that Trump is all these terrible things.  The fact of the matter is he is really the best option for Presient running right now.  He is a REAL person for a change!  I love him because he is not an insider politician.  He doesn't owe anyone in Washington anything.  That is imporrtant and he has fired up the American people.  All we want is what Trump wants:  Make America Geat Again.  There is nothing wrong with that.

The thing we like best aboutTrump is that he is NOT a politician.  That is so wonderful!    He is very smart and he will surround himself with the best advisors he can find and things will be great.  I feel hopeful after so many years of watcing my country decline.  I hope he wins and I think he will.  AND you people from NZ, Aus.the UK, really have nothing to fear.   A strong and prosperous America is good for the whole world. Be glad that there is hope for some prosperity once again.  Jmax, be glad you will be able to have decent healthcare.  He is not a dyed in the wool, up -tight Republican.  He is his own man. Believe me....he will be fine.

jmax, I am so sorry but the Democrats hust don't have a viable candicdate. Hillary is foundering and Bernie is just not electable.  It is time for a change.  Go with it.




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Sat 23 Jan 16 #86 
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s far as Ted Cruz goes, I like him a lot but he did a dumb thing and it is bringing him down.  He had dual citizenship for the US and Canada. The rule is that when you settle in the US you should renounce the Canadian citizenship as soon as feasible.  Well, Ted was elected to the US Senate and 

and served as such before he renounced his Canadian citizenship.  That is what is getting him.  

 

I also believe that Obama failed to renounce his Indonesian citizenship, which he definitely had, because he entered college here in the US as a foreign student.  I know, Iknow.  Where did I see that.   Guys....that can be found anywhere so don't get on my case.  That's about it.  You all should be much more terrified of Obama and his inept cabinet than Trump.  I am living in total fear right now.  I am thinking of the terrible Iranian deal.  It is only a matter of a short time before the have nuclear weapons. That is a scary thought right there..  Ok,OK, I have to stop. I am stuck inside with this stinking blizzard and I can't even go outside.  Think about what I have written today.  I have written some important things.    Have a good weekend, all.




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Sat 23 Jan 16 #87 
JMK
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You like this woman? She can't even speak in proper sentences.

 






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Sat 23 Jan 16 #88 
JMK
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As for Obama being an Indonesian citizen, your sources have, as usual, let you down badly. That rumour originated from an April Fools joke which some people chose to believe because it suited their purposes. Read right through this Snopes article to see how false it is.

Or if you don't beleive Snopes, then there is this and this




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Sat 23 Jan 16 #89 
Honey Badger
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I said I like Sarah Palin a "million times more than Hillary Clinton".  And I despise Hillary Clinton. That Sarah Palin is a shrill and unrefined speaker I have to agree but she is a spirited woman who is an American patriot so I really don'tcare to grade her speech.  I care about the message a lot more.  At least she is being honest about what she says, unlike Hilary.

I do not accept your sources which you provide to disprove my statements. We all know the veracity of Snopes is biased and innacurate at best.  I reject it out of hand.  The others are just internet blogs and for your information you do have to renounce all other citizenships to become an Indonesian citizen which is exactly what Obama did in order to attend school in Indonesia.  Honestly, I do not know why you cannot accept the facts about this man.  Let's leave this one at ......"Time will tell!!!".




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Sat 23 Jan 16 #90 
JMK
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Let's leave this at - the facts speak for themselves. You only reject Snopes because the facts (not opinions) it presents don't supoort what you want to believe.




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Sun 24 Jan 16 #91 
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No, JMK, I reject Snopes because there are serious questions who owns and operates it.  It is possibly not providing unbiased facts. Let's just say I give it the same credence as I would give a Wikipedia article on a political candidate.  That is an opinion which is widespread and I also happen to agree with it.  

 

I make my own opinions.  I read a lot about politics and I form my own opinions. I don't need a possibly totally biased site to influence me and try to convince me of untruths.

It is a fact that Barry Soetoro had to give up all other citizenships and become only an Indonesian citizen to go to school there.  I am avoiding the controversial "madrassa" issue.  I am only saying he had to become an Indonesian citizen and he did.  There are no records of him having reactivating his American citizensip when he returned to the US.  Just stating the facts.  If he did he should have produced the papers because no other candidate or elected official has ever had a problem doing the same. 




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Tue 26 Jan 16 #92 
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The way Trump talks about women is disgusting and vile and I cannot understand how any woman, whatever her politics can give him her vote he is a nauseating creature (wont say animal no animal is as low and dirty )   If that creature becomes president of the U.S.A  it will be beyond disaster in my opinion !




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Wed 27 Jan 16 #93 
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Did you see that today he has announced that he won't be participating in the Q&A session as he doesn't like the female reporter who will be chairing the sesssion!!!

 

What a big pansy he is, what a big girls blouse, what a creep!!!




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Fri 29 Jan 16 #94 
Honey Badger
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Let me clear this up a bit.  Trump was insulted by a very rude question from Megyn Kelly.  He has participated in 6 Q&A sessions already.  He received a very inappropriate message from one of the owners of the network having this so-called debate and Donald Trump decided that he was not going to to open himself up for another "loaded" question which contained sexual innuendo, surely inappropriate in such a situation.  EVERYONE knows Donald Trump's position without him wasting his time being attacked.  He does not need to be insulted by any moderator who is clearly out to get him with some vicious questions which are completely irrelevant. Kelly is , at best an inept little brat.

Megyn Kelly is a trollop ,in case you don't know her.  In the very first debate, she sunk to the most degraded depths to try to humiliate Donald Trump.  The only woman Donald Trump said he does not like is Rosie O'Donnell a truly revolting person and one with whom Trump has had many bad exchanges.  His remark was that "I love women....all of them except for Rosie O'Donnell". I may have altered a word but that is the gist.  Trump is allowed to dislike a person who constantly annoys him and insults him.

Tonight, rather than stand in a pre-planned attack by FOX and Megyn Kelly, Trump chose to run a separate rally and speech for American veterans, for Wounded Warriors, a cause which is important to Trump and one in which he has been involved for a long time. He now has THOUSANDS of people waiting in the snow to both hear him and to collect donations for the veterans.  I understand that FOX is having fits about this rally Trump is holding in Des Moines. Both Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch are begging him, at this moment, to please change his mind.  He will not.

I respect Trump's efforts.He may  possibly lose the primary in Iowa but he will maintain his own personal integrity and to raise both awareness and funds for the veterans which is something our current corrupt government cannot provide.  

In the future, learn the facts before you condemn people.  Oh, yes, Gov. Mike Huckabee, not my cup of tea but a decent man, has decided to join Mr. Trump, who is the farthest thing from a pansy you will ever see.  A pansy!  Indeed!

The results of tonight will be interesting to say the least.

 

I am very curious what Trump said, SPECIFICALLY, Tabby and Sally, that makes you think Trump is such an awful person.  It is just a shame that you have read and processed such wrong information.  Trump is a generous  and kind man.  

Here is just one story about Trump, one of many I hasten to add.  Trump got stuck in his car one night and was stuck on the side of the road.  A couple stopped and helped him get his car going again, I am not sure if it was just a flat tire or some other minor problem. In return for their kindness, Donald Trump PAID OFF THE COUPLE'S MORTGAGE!  Now, does that sound like a monster.  You know he is not a monster.  AND HE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ABUSED BY ANYONE UNLESS HE ACTUALLY DOES SOMETHING TRULY WRONG!

 

 




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Fri 29 Jan 16 #95 
Honey Badger
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Here's the thing about the USA your might want to think about.   We have it and England does not.

"The US Constitution does not exist to grant you rights; those are inherent within you.  Rather, it exists to frame a limited government so that those natural rights can be exercised freely."

THAT is why the US Constitution is so important. No, I didn't write it..  I found it and it says it all.

The English are beholden to the Royal Family and that is why we freed ourselves from England. 




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Fri 29 Jan 16 #96 
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Where do I start?  Look in reality – I don’t get to vote – and I can only go by what I see on the news reports.

But from what I see he is not a sweet man at all  - or generous.  In fact he is the least charitable billionaire in the USA.  In 10 years (up until 2009) he only donated 3.7 million to his OWN charity!  In turn his charity has only donated 6.7 mil to those in need – a drop in the bucket when you look at the donations of other wealthy people such as Bill Gates, Warren Buffett,   Michael Bloomberg and others of their ilk –  For example, in 2008 alone (not over 10 years – just in 1 year), Bloomberg’s charitable contributions totalled $235 million. So no – not generous.

He comes over as a racist, sexist, aggressive, school bully, big-mouthed pig of a man. He has no substance to his speeches – he’s makes grandiose statements that appeal to a certain type of American. He is going to get rid of this, that and the other. Then he’s going to ban this, kick these out, stop these coming in – but again nothing to back up how he is going to do it.  Hang on I lie – he is going to solve the illegal immigrant problem with mass deportation.  Just how he is going to do this is unsaid – round them all up with big guns throw them in trucks and drop them off at the border? En masse? Oh! Oh! wait – that’s right – he is going to build a wall!!!!  Don’t know whose going to build the wall because all the illegal immigrants that do these jobs will be kicked out.  And don’t tell me red-blooded American youths are going to do it – they won’t – not as cheaply anyway.

He has had NO government experience – either on local councils, at the state level and definitely not on a national level.  He doesn’t know how it works.  Yes he can run a business – but it is a business he owns so he can make his own rules – do what he wants – he cannot do that as a president – there are rules!!!

He bullies, belittles and threatens people who oppose him – does the USA really want a president who sues, yells and screams if someone questions or disagrees with him?  Half of America is going to be in jail!!

He has gone bankrupt 4 times!!!  Is on record you can’t be bankrupt and not have a trail – HE says that the bankruptcies were strategic business decisions and made him money (I am sure his creditors were pleased about that) so he is either lying, a bad business manager, or manipulating the system for his own greed – what the heck would he do for the American economy?

On a personal level – judging him only by body language and what he says – he is a creep – he gives sly little smiles when he says something particularly inflammatory and insulting – he gazes around as he speaks as if to say “look at me” – he licks his lips – and he has hair that looks like a long-haired guinea pig.

Can I give you examples of what he specifically said?  Yes – every time he opens his mouth and lets his hatred spew out is an example.

I think what you said about  Megyn Kelly was very unkind – I don’t think she asked him a rude question – she merely quoted what HE had been saying and asked him if he thought what he said  was the sort of character a president should have

Her questions was: “You’ve called women you don’t like, ‘fat pigs,’ ‘dogs,’ slobs, and disgusting animals. … It was well beyond Rosie O’Donnell. Your Twitter account has several disparaging comments about women’s looks. You once told a contestant on Celebrity Apprentice it would be a pretty picture to see her on her knees. Does that sound to you like the temperament of a man we should elect as president?"

I find that question very reasonable and his response to very unreasonable.  I am amazed that a woman you are condoning this sort of person and how he treats women – I only hope that  he doesn’t get in because its all going to come back and bite you on the bum.

I am a great believer in body language and he has failed.  I know you will disagree with everything I have written – but the care factor is zero.  For goodness sake find someone else to vote for other than him




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Fri 29 Jan 16 #97 
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Your information is entirely skewed but since it is late I am not responding to your,once again, incorrect information, until at least tomorrow and probably Saturday since I already have a full day scheduled tomorrow. Yes, it is so fortunate that you cannot vote here! God only knows we would automatically having you and your ilk voting for Hillary who is many  things and, unfortunately , none of  them are good in any way at all.

 

Just for the record, Trump raised 6 Million dollars tonight, a million of which was his own money. I am quite certain he has contributed quite a lot more to other causes.  Also, his so-called bankruptcies, are used by businesses and also by individuals, and it is perfectly legal to reorganize the assets and debts of a company.  There is absolutely nothing illegal about that at all.   

WE are glad he has no political experience.  WE are sick of government corruption.  lol  I do have someone in mind. lol   WE don't care if he looks like a guinea pig! LOL   It will be an improvement over most of our government officials! 

Don't you think it is a bit dumb to say he only donated 3.7 million dollars up until 2009 when he donated a million in just one night?  It makes no sense so I must ask  you where you found  that garbage.

I will definitely vote for Donald Trump if he is the nominee. I will not feel compromised at all. Compared to what I have lived with for 7 years I will feel elated if he wins.




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Fri 29 Jan 16 #98 
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Michael Bloom berg is a very generous man.  However, he is a horrible man who tells restaurants what kinds of cooking oils they may use and how much salt can be used.  This is all in NYC, of course.  He told fast food places that they could not sell super-sized drinks because he had to control the sugar.   That is a dictator to me and he was out of line.  He should use his money for some counseling.  He is a little dictator.  People hate him

 




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Fri 29 Jan 16 #99 
Honey Badger
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Sally, I can counter every single thing you say and I will because you are so wrong about so many aspects and you also have questions which I will answer.  So chill out and you will get your answers.  You are very naive about American politics just as I am about Australian politics. 




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Fri 29 Jan 16 #100 
JMK
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You don't have to know anything about US politics to recoginise racism and sexism when you see and hear it. 




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Fri 29 Jan 16 #101 
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What has he done that is racist?  ACTUALLY done?  Nothing.  He doesn't always speak like a slick politician because he isn't one.  As far as being a sexist, he simply is not.  His female employees are treated as well as his male employees.  If you are referring to Megyn Kelly, I can tell you, as a woman, that she had it coming.  You don't see her everyday and you didn't hear her queastion at the first debate which was a flippant yet well planned attempt to make him appear to be sexist.  He is not.   If you are looking for a sexist try looking at the treatment Hillary dishes out to her employees.  You might be surprised.

 

Why are all you non-Americans so scared of Donald Trump?  I don't get it.  I am more frightened of whoever it was in the British government who said he was upset at seeing "so many white faces".  That is racism, too.  I am sorry, I think I know who said it but I don't want to accuse someone wrongly.

I think this whole Trump bashing crap is ridiculous and to Sally, I have not even bothered to spend my time double checking your statistics because I don't believe you found them yourself. I have better things to do. If you want to believe them, fine.  I will believe what I know to be true and my main fear is that Hillary gets elected before they indict her!  LOL




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Fri 29 Jan 16 #102 
JMK
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Trump has made many racist comments and that makes him a racist. I don't know if Hillary has treated her employees in a sexist way, if she has that has no bearing on whether Trump is sexist or not. 




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Fri 29 Jan 16 #103 
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I don't need you to counter my arguments - you asked my opinion and I told you - I wasn't  arguing with you just giving you information. We are never going to agree as you can't understand why I don't like Trump and I'll never understand why you do. So there is no point in continuing.  

End of this particular part of the conversation




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Sat 30 Jan 16 #104 
kevg
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If I ruled the world..............




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Sun 31 Jan 16 #105 
TABBYTOES
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........I wouls be compelled to watch my step !!!




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Sun 31 Jan 16 #106 
TABBYTOES
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kevin in the musical Dickwick!!




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Sun 31 Jan 16 #107 
TABBYTOES
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just my little two pennorth   I can understand any woman 'insulting'   Trump given the way he speaks of and to them!




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Tue 2 Feb 16 #108 
jmaxg
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"Let me clear this up a bit.  Trump was insulted by a very rude question from Megyn Kelly."

Just a point of order.  It was not a "rude" question.  Ms Kelly was perfectly ok asking that question.

The fact that Trump found it difficult is not HER fault.




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Tue 2 Feb 16 #109 
jmaxg
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Iowa results:

Trump lost.




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Tue 2 Feb 16 #110 
sally906
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I saw that - with unrestrained glee!  Ok, I know there are about a million more states to vote but I was chuffed as a litllte mint ball over this first result :)




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Tue 2 Feb 16 #111 
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I was very pleased to see the American voters do have more sense than I was giving them. Still Ted Cruz isn't a lot better, he just hasn't had as much publicity. Marco Rubio looks like he should be watched due to a surge in popularity.

 ​All in all though I don't want any Republican to win the presidency, I'd rather Hillary or Bernie any day. 




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Fri 5 Feb 16 #112 
sally906
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So who is Marco Rubio? How does he compare to raving lunatic and the quiet hardliner?




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Fri 5 Feb 16 #113 
JMK
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He's another hardliner I think, just slightly less conservative than Ted Cruz but not by much. They are all Republicans, I disagree with nearly all their policies and on the main issues they all have similar stances, just their personalities and their political experience as the main differences.




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Wed 24 Feb 16 #114 
Honey Badger
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What do you view as the main issues, JMK, and who do you think would be a"good" Republican candidate.  Remember, you can't say Hillary or Sanders as an answer because they are not Republicans. 




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Wed 24 Feb 16 #115 
TABBYTOES
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not republicans !!!.......thanks be !!! and why ask JMK ??  you once told me I had no right to an opinion on American politics because I am not an American !!!!!!

 




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Thu 25 Feb 16 #116 
sally906
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I love this open letter to Trump Supporters - a hearty round of applause from down under!




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Thu 25 Feb 16 #117 
Honey Badger
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I'm glad you are so excited about that article.  Too bad The Huf Post is pretty much dismissed as trash.   




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Fri 26 Feb 16 #118 
sally906
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SOOOOOO many responses to that - but zipping mouth closed




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Fri 26 Feb 16 #119 
TABBYTOES
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you are an example to me Sally xxxx

 




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Wed 2 Mar 16 #120 
jmaxg
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jmaxg reporting in his pre-operative state.......

Donald Trump (Drumpf?) won BIG time.

So did Hillary Rodham Clinton.




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Wed 2 Mar 16 #121 
kevg
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pre-operative state ?? they are going to insert a brain at last ??

 




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Sat 12 Mar 16 #122 
jmaxg
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Brother, there is stuff happening here that is not ordinary.

America is stepping into the dark side at a rate I did not expect.

Protesters getting sucker punched, the guilty not being arrested.....

(well, the puncher was arrested the next day)

But Trump seems to be encouraging such mean activity.

What the hell is going on?




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Sat 12 Mar 16 #123 
kevg
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A very good question Jmax, one I have been asking for years about Yank politics. It has all become who can get the most column inches with the most ludicrous policies which they know can't be enacted. In short they have all gone mad !




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Sun 13 Mar 16 #124 
JMK
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https://www.facebook.com/TheOther98/photos/a.115969958413991.17486.114517875225866/1258843537459955/?type=3&theater




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Tue 15 Mar 16 #125 
jmaxg
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That Facebook post makes a fair point.




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Sun 20 Mar 16 #126 
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Well,. it looks as if Donald Trump is doing extremely well. Bernie is sliding, Marco Rubio is OUT, Cruz is not scoring big in any states that count.  Hillary?  She is not  going to make it, guys.  It is going to be a fun 6 months.   DONALD TRUMP IS RIDING HIGH!  Anything can happen but I am so encouraged that he has such broad appeal to the nation!  I look forward to the day he is inaugurated.  Let's see what happens.    I don't want you all to get your knickers in a wad so read all my future posts slowly!  LOL  

By the way, the troublemakers at Trump's rallies were hired thugs, hired by George Soros organization, MoveOn.org and other leftwing groups, including openly Communist demonstrators who were looking for trouble. You know what?  I don't have any sympathy for people who put themselves into harms way. If you don't want to get hurt, stay home.  Crowds are always dangerous and are more so when there are community organizers....you know, like Obama used to be....mixed in with the crowd, along with Bill Ayers, Weather Underground, Bomber of the Pentagon and a NY Police headquarters. Very nasty group there in Chicago.

 




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Tue 22 Mar 16 #127 
jmaxg
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Ok, so it's obvious that HB is a Drumpf, sorry, a Trump fan.

If you have a spare 22 minutes and 3 seconds, I invite you to watch this John Oliver article:

John Oliver about Donald J. Drumpf - sorry - Trump

Honey Badger:  "I don't have any sympathy for people who put themselves into harms way."

So a person that holds up a sign at a Drumpf (sorry, Trump) rally that gets beat up and tossed out is OK by you?  So much for the 1st Amendment to the Bill of Rights, right?

That's the biggest problem most of the world has against the United States........the US constitution is quoted when it suits you. And the US thinks nobody cares when it's own charter is ignored.

Well, most of the world does notice.  It's actually quite hard NOT to notice.  You were the guys that set up the damn pedastal that you stand on for chrissake!!

To be frank, I don't think that Trump will be elected in a national poll.......whether it's against Bernie Sanders or Hillary Rodham Clinton.  Most national polls regard Trump as either a dangerous facist or a fool who claims he's rich but refuses to prove it.  As the John Oliver article above shows, he lies about not using political contributions.

But as Honey Badger points out, this election is interesting.  We shall see after the RNC and the DNC how things will go.

My money is still on HRC to be the next president.




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Mon 4 Apr 16 #128 
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Honey, can you please give me more info about this "very nasty group" in Chicago? I may have to invest in a second watch-cat.




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Sat 9 Apr 16 #129 
jmaxg
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Methinks HB might be referring to the Weather Underground (careful, it's a long post), a now defunct radical left-wing organisation (1969 - 1977) that originated in Ann Arbor, Michigan and who was co-founded by noted former domestic terrorist, Bill Ayers.

A rather redundant point however as Bill Ayers nor that organisation have anything to do with the current presidential candidates, republican or democrat.




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Thu 21 Apr 16 #130 
jmaxg
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OK, so after New York, the status is as follows:

Trump won (88 delegates), Cruz lost (0 delegates) and Kasich picked up a delegate.

Not enough delegates to secure prior to the Republican convention, but Trump has a few more chances to secure that with the next few primaries.

The Democrats?

After New York and Clinton's win, Hillary Clinton has 1,930 delegates as opposed to Bernie Sanders  and his 1,151 delegates.

To win the nomination, Hillary Cinton doesn't have to do anything else.  She just has to show up.

Now, I understand how and why people feel cheated.  But ya know what?  I am NOT gonna explain anything.  I have been researching this crap for the last ten years and TELLING you for the last six years.

You wanna know?  Check it out for yourself!

ENOUGH with the hand feeding!

I KNOW why Hillary Clinton should be the next president of the United States!  Trust me.

 




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Tue 26 Apr 16 #131 
jmaxg
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Does anybody know what 18 to 21 July 2016 means?

(massive looking up)

I didn't think so.




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Tue 26 Apr 16 #132 
Ruby Franks (online)
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I know, do I get 250 points for knowing that its when the party of Abraham Lincoln could finally commit suicide and possibly a few months later  the USA will have the opportunity to do the same and take the rest of us with it?




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Thu 28 Apr 16 #133 
jmaxg
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Well, the Republican party may blow up.  Not saying that's a bad thing.

And yes, you get 250 points.




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Sun 8 May 16 #134 
Honey Badger
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Let the fun begin!  Trump is in a position to win the nomination and he has tounify the Republican Party behnd him.  He will.  It will just take a little time.  If the Republican Conservatives try tostart a third party Hilllary may win and the US will be headed by a corrupt woman who isunder investigation by the FBI.

 




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Tue 10 May 16 #135 
jmaxg
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Excuuuuse me?  Welcome back HB but lets be clear here.  For a start, whilst Trump is the "presumptive" rebublican nominee, he has still to get the convention delegates required.  I know he will probably get them and the Republican Party will be required, by their own laws, to accept him, I still maintain that ANYTHING could happen at the Republican National Convention.

But lets assume, just for argument, that he is.  He has a UNIVERSE of trouble in front.

With regards to the General Election demographics, there is still the following to overcome:

  1.   Women dislike him intensely.
  2.   African Americans distrust him.
  3.   Hispanics just plain hate him.

Given how elections work, and how much demographics count, also given that more debates will be coming up, I can't see Mr. Trump pulling off the miracle he so obviously is wishing for.

Oh, he can do it, but to do it, he will have to reverse those demographics listed above.

Now, the gerrymander that helps the current congressional republicans simply doesn't work in a general election.  Hence, the attempts by republican held states to deny votes to ethnics and minorities by using identity cards and such.  Anyone who knows what a "gerrymander" is, please help out those that don't.  I stand willing to be private messaged.

But the bottom line is this......

"The Donald" may actually make it to nominee status and yes, I didn't expect that.

But no nominee, republican nor democrat, in the history of the United States of America has ever overcome demographic analysis in the history of presidential elections.  Not even Dewey versus Truman.....demographics predicted a Truman win even when certain newspapers chose their headlines.

History, of course, recorded a different result.  Truman won.

Anyway, we shall see.  But if math and statistics have anything to do with this, Donald Trump has a huge and difficult path in front........nowhere near the populist path he assumes will get him to the White House.




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Thu 12 May 16 #136 
jmaxg
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So no one answers...I kind of expected that.

Here is the thing.....

People think that, because of the laws made up by some, Donald Trump is not only the nominee, he is in the White House.  Well, for a start, he hasn't made up the delegates required yet.

Now, about Hillary, she too has not made up the delegates.  And that's a toughie.

She will get the delegates by just sitting back and getting second on every upcoming primary.  That's a fact.

But I would like to ask her cousin, is that ok?

I have seen a recent HC ad on TV and it was AWESOME!  I know she is all about California and that will be enough.  But a couple of new ads may help.

What pisses me off is that idiot features, The Donald, gets away with saying stuff which should be attackable by law.  But just because this is in an election, nothing can be done.

He is so WEAK and lacking, all he has are election rules.

About the Donald.....

He so unimpresses me.  All the guy can do is quote his business......a business that failed so many times.

In the General Election, Trump will be hacked to pieces.




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Thu 12 May 16 #137 
sally906
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No response - I'm scared of Honeybadger!!  I've seen a meme going around saying Sheldon for president - I so wish!  I'm married to a Sheldon - I understand Sheldons :)




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Thu 12 May 16 #138 
jmaxg
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Oh please sally.......either be a cousin or not.

We are too close to worry about Sheldon.

Your cousin is the best qualified person of all time.

You should know that for a fact.

I KNOW who we will be voting for.

And it will not be some dick who thinks that tricks work rather than qualifications.




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Thu 12 May 16 #139 
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Now understand that I know Hillary as a person - not as a politician - so my view is coloured.

BUT I will say this - I just about did virtual murder when Trump came out and said that she "enabled" Bill to have the affair with Monica.  What kind of a man does that - he is that horrible!!!

Does he not understand the humiliation and anger that that woman went through when all this happened in the public eye with millions of people scrutinizing her personal life like that?  What an utter creep.

No woman would willingly and knowlingly enable her significant other to cheat on her - or beat her up - or mentally abuse her.  She got through that with dignity and poise as her world crashed around her.  If she has that sort of determination in her private life - my goodness think what she will do for the USA.  If I could vote I would - and NOT because she is my cousin - but because she has strength of character.

 

Anyone who supports Trump for saying this is not worthy to come out of under the rock that they and the other vermin live under.

 




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Sun 15 May 16 #140 
jmaxg
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Does Trump not understand the humiliation and anger suffered?  He doesn't care Sally.  He's a creep!  Now he is in it, it's a game to him and that's all.  And as it's a game, it means he must win at ALL costs.

It's gonna be an American election looked at in history as one of the worst and even President Obama will oversee it all and think "Shit!  Even I wasn't treated that bad!".

But she'll do ok........she's fine.......I promise.  The polls have her right where she needs to be.

Just a small bit of advice......whereas all she needs to do is nothing relative to upcoming primaries because she will get enough of secondary delegates to win, it would be nice according to us voters if she actually stood up and did something.  Anything at all.......just to show she cares.

At the moment, the Hillary camp is just "back seating" it and not fighting as much as I thought she would.




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Sun 15 May 16 #141 
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But as for the Trump camp?  They have virtually taken over "reddit.com" with their "The_Donald" subreddit.  The posts to this sub forum of reddit are offensive, disgusting, repetitive, racist and moronic.  In fact if you try to post in objection, your username is immediately banned.

At least we don't do that here.  Well, that depends if the Boss is in a good mood or not, but generally we are nowhere near as bad as reddit.com and the decision they can't seem to make.

Reddit.com, the site itself, says it's all about freedom of speech and yet, they themselves have stopped subreddits in the past.

Why they think the offensive spew that happens now on reddit.com is protected by the 1st Amendment, I don't know and do not understand.




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Wed 18 May 16 #142 
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Hillary is in deep trouble.  Good.  She is a bad woman and was a terrible Secretary of State.  She just can't expect to have Bill's personality.  Hill has a bad personality and will have a tough time winning the election.  I don't ever go to reddit so I don't care what is on there. I am goingto bed.  Nothing new happening here. Nothing of any importance to respond to. Have a blast.....from the past!   TRUMP 2016




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Wed 18 May 16 #143 
Honey Badger
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What debates are coming up? You must mean between Trump and whoever the DEMS put in there.  I am hardly worried.  Bring them on!




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Sat 21 May 16 #144 
jmaxg
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I still maintain it won't be Bernie Sanders.  He's all but mathematically impossible now.  But even if it was......

What will happen in the general election cycle is debates and lots of them.

THEN people will turn to the debate channel(s) with interest to see if Trump can actually state something rather than "best, better, big, bigger, biggest, huge, awesome, greater, high energy, low energy, crooked" and whatever other euphanisms that are left.

During that time, Trump's awful record with regards to sexism, racism, misogyny, bad business tactics, tax evasion, distain and/or ignorance and/or avoidance of the US Constitution, poor choices, naivete of world politics/structure, lack of diplomacy, non-understanding of global finance compliance, double standards and flip-flopping will be made clearer and clearer as each debate unfolds.

Watching Trump squirm will BE the thing to look forward to.  Most of the world is salivating while waiting for that.

Not in accordance with decorum?  Well bugger me!  I wonder who made those rules up?

IF the electorate at large hands him 270 electoral votes after all that?  Then we will have a huge problem.

 




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Sun 22 May 16 #145 
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Get ready for trouble.  And he is none of the things you say he is...the pejorative things.  Just flip those into Hillary's column of deficiencies.  She is a very weak candidate.  I still would not be surprised to see her not be the Dem candidate.

Trump never squirms.  Don't hold your breath.




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Mon 23 May 16 #146 
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Excuse me for butting in but I've just been reading over the comments on this thread and have one of my own.
Honey badger, I gather from your contributions to the conversation that you see yourself as somewhat of a lone voice of reason amongst a sea of fools and idiots who JUST WON'T SEE SENSE.
Now, Hillary Clinton may or may not be a mendacious harpy bent on finishing the job Obama started ie: destroying the United States and all it stands for. Bernie Sanders may or may not have the same plan while the Republican party may or may not be packed to the rafters with career politicians who filibuster while america burns.  And Donald Trump, elected in a landslide, may or may not be swept to power to save the day.
I'm not commenting on whether any of that is the case. The point I wanted to make is this - turn on your TV, pick a random channel and in no time you will be assailed by a deluge of ads making promises which are, at best, overstated and a lot of the time, outright fabrications.
Unfortunately, the same principles apply in politics.  It alway has been so, but now more than ever before.
H.B. I understand  that  people like yourself are feeling upset and more than a little frustrated - none of us want to see a community that we love entrusted to those who gain power for selfish interests.  But the answer doesn't lie with someone just because they "say what we're all thinking" (Not quoting you here - just something I've heard people say). Anyone can promise to stand up to the bad guys for the little guys.  Don't confuse confidence with competence.  "Trust me" is just as bad advice coming from a politician as it is coming from someone holding a deed to the golden gate bridge.
Being an Aussie, I'm watching this from afar (our own 3-ring circus is happening now - federal election in July) but I really do hope that the 45th president, whoever that is, will serve the U.S. and it's people very well.

 

P.s. Can't resist a personal prediction - whatever happens, there WON'T be a wall!

 




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Mon 23 May 16 #147 
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Chooky, you sound quite sensible and I like that.  I think the main reason I like Trump is that he is not caught up in the corrupt Washington crowd nor is he beholden to the lobbyists and the special interest groups which have become far too influential indetermining the course of our governoment's decisions.  I won't even get into discussing Obama,who has consistentlyover reached his constitutional powers.  I think the election of Hillary would just be an extension of Obama's reign and many people do not want that.   Many young people like Sanders, with his alluring promises of free everything without thinking about who, exactly, who will pay for all the goodies.  He is way out there. I do not wish to see him elected. I see Hillary as aworn out idealogue who just wants to  be president. Are we supposed to disregard the laundry list of scandals this women has been involved in,plus her personal failure as an absolutely terrible Secretary of State, during which she created havoc in the Mideast with the ill-conceived "Arab Spring". Sorry,I cannot overlook that for one minute.  She is a fraud and a liar whose cavalier handling ofher emails have allowed them to be intercepted by foreigners, the most famous being a Romanian called Goocifer.  He said hacking her pathetically protected email server was "easy".  No, I don't trust that sort of sloppy person as POTUS.  She should just give it up and be a good granny. Note please, that I have not even mentioned the Clinton Foundation.  That would take forever. Leave it at a simple"she's a corrupt politician".  Now, Trump is a man who has a desire to help the US. He does have a big mouth and does say stupid things.I do believe he is a very hardworking man and will serve the US bery well.  He will be especially good because he understands economics so well.  He obviously will rely upon weathered political sources for advice on many matters.  There isnothingwrong with that.  The man has heart and he loves America and the people here.  There is an electricty in the air and there is hope for an improving economy,a return to common sense and I think he is the right man to do it.  Before you go off about the wall, I will say this.  There is no reason why it cannot be built and since Trump has a background as a builder he should be able to get it done.  Right now, Trump isdoing very well.   Only time will tell if he gets elected but Hillary is not doing well.  Right now Hillary and Trump are tied.  Two weeks ago Trump was double digits behind.   

As for Australia,I was shocked to hear that citizens had all there firearms confiscated via a mandatory buy-back.  That is terrible and it is a foreboding sign of bad things to come if history repeats itself.  I hope it does not in Australia.  We do not want to give up our right to own guns.  That is something we will never give up and yet Hillary is going to push that and Trump,wisely, is not.  That's all I have to say to chooky. Nothing nasty or mean..  Just a stream of conciousness blurb from me to chooky. 




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Mon 23 May 16 #148 
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chooky, I see myself as a conservative voice in a sea of left wing liberals. 




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Tue 24 May 16 #149 
jmaxg
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Honey Badger, if you want to refer to your "shock" at Australian gun control that happened after our horrible "Port Arthur Massacre", I refer you to these three videos (please show some guts and watch them all from beginning to end):

The Daily Show - John Oliver - Gun Control Part 1

The Daily Show - John Oliver - Gun Control Part 2

The Daily Show - John Oliver - Gun Control Part 3

You see, the one thing you just don't have the right to do is criticize Australia about gun control and the results.

No rights at all.......none.  Not a sausage, less than one, none.  The reverse of one actually, which is minus one, is about where you are, even though minus one is a concept.

EVEN IF I WAS A MATHEMATICIAN, I would have to explain to you the concept of less than one because that's where you are.  Theoretically, you are far less than minus one.  But I am thinking "minus one" is about as far as it goes with you.

The bottom line is, don't screw with Australia ever again.  Unless you know what you are doing.




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Tue 24 May 16 #150 
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You can love your damn guns as much as you like.  Even though I am a fan of Penn Jilette, it does NOT mean I agree with his stance on the 2nd Amendment.

The fact is if there are less guns, less people die.  That's not politics, that's mathematics.




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Tue 24 May 16 #151 
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Guns aren't banned in Australia - they are strictly controlled. There have been no mass shooting in Australia since Port Arthur and no children shooting their siblings/parents or selves.  Where as last year in the USA there were 43 shootings carried out by toddlers.  I am not saying they are deliberately shooting people - I am saying they get access to guns because there are no controls.  Everyone has to be licensed to own a gun - and part of the licensing process is ensuring guns are locked away. Even doing that would bring down the death toll in the US.  No one is suggesting banning guns in the US - even I think that is nigh on impossible - but certainly banning the sale of the high powered and semi-automatics guns to the general public (you don't need them) and strictly controlling the conditions that at home guns are kept. This would go a long way to dropping the horrendous death toll from shooting in the USA.




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Tue 24 May 16 #152 
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 Honey Badger, just to re-iterate my point or perhaps put it more bluntly - I don't think there is any chance at all that Donald Trump would or could be the president you are expecting him to be. If he is elected, he will be a disappointment to a lot of people.  Again, I acknowledge your disgust/disapproval of Clinton, et al. But for god's sake....it's like setting fire to yourself because you have skin cancer!!

Re guns in Australia - the 20th anniversary of the Port Arthur massacre was in April this year. I vividly remember cradling my 3 week old son, horror-struck as detail after tragic detail was revealed. The killer (who will not be dignified by me with a name) chased & shot a 6 year old girl who had run behind a tree after witnessing him kill her mother & 3 year old sister . This was an unprecedented tragedy & at the time, I think, the worst mass killing in the world.  This was the catylyst for changes to the gun laws.  Since then weapons have been strictly controlled (not banned!) & I for one am very grateful to the then prime minister, John Howard for taking the stand he did.  Ironically, I couldn't bear the man at the time but now I think he has surely changed the course of Australian history for the better & really doesn't get enough recognition for that fact. To those who might talk about "giving up liberty for more security" I would argue that we most certainly have liberty.  The liberty to send our children to class without first passing through a metal detector immediately leaps to mind! I do spare a thought for farmers who suffer stock and crop losses to feral animals etc but to the sporting shooters I would say you don't need an AK-47 to drop a duck.

When the Port Arthur 20th anniversary came around, the unmistakable consensus was - the gun laws in Australia work for us. As jmax pointed out - it's mathematics.

There is a foundation set up in memory of the 2 little girls who were killed that day. It is called The Alannah and Madeline Foundation.




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Sat 28 May 16 #153 
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Chooky, that moment at Port Arthur involving that six year old that tried to hide behind that tree and idiot features then took the time to find her and shoot her.  I have described that to Java and I think she didn't believe me.......nobody could be that callous.

Sandy Hook changed all that......as my Java shed her tears about the TWENTY children, I kept thinking about that scared little 6 year old girl hiding behind a tree at Port Arthur.

Both countries had that thing in common at the time.....weapons.  We also had humans too (i.e. guns don't kill people - people kill people), but only when humans and weapons were not together, mass killings declined.  THAT is the fact that keeps getting twisted but where Australia is the single biggest example.

Check out those three links in post#149 again.  Notice the logic, the outrageous pointing out of what happens between two countries with differing approaches.  One tried to fix the problem and succeeded.  The other tried to spin it to be not the same thing.  Even though everyone knows it is.




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Sat 28 May 16 #154 
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To sally906, nothing's changed as at 27 May 2016.  HRC remains almost the democratic nominee.

As for the debate that was going to happen between Bernie Sanders and Trump, Trump withdrew.  So now, there is no debate.  As for the Trump camp, they released a statement where they said it was "inappropriate" to debate the second placed democratic nominee.

As for the real reason, all of a sudden, they realised how silly it was to promote Bernie, when the almost presumptive nominee has so much more baggage regarding emails and such.  In other words, Trump WANTS Hillary as his opposition rather than Bernie.

Uh huh, what a HUGE mistake.  Disregard my opinion if you like, but once Bernie is out, polls will shift in HRC's way.

Once we are in the General Election, HRC will be free to attack Trump and his non-policies, his meaningless babble and his offensive, sexist, xenophobic and mysogynistic diatribe.

I still see the general election playing out........just not the way Trump sees it playing out.




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Sat 28 May 16 #155 
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Right now I would prefer Harry Potter for president!   Hilary hasn't got the nomination yet. If she does I hope you're right and she starts to speak out - cos she's not saying much now. My husband thinks she won't win because she is female - and the USA isn't ready for a woman in charge. I pointed out that no one thought that a black man would be in charge - and there is - so there is hope for a female :). Who is trumps running mate? Has he announced one yet?  It's not Sarah Palin is it?




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Sat 28 May 16 #156 
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I'm so innocent I thought the Kim Kardashian suggestion was an outright joke - it's not funny now I see it may have been considered for even a micro-second.

However, for the last couple of days I've been unable to stop singing a barstardised version of the children's song:

Nellie the Elephant picked her Trump and off they went to the circus, with a Trumpity, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump...... And that's not funny either, nor is it funny anymore that his name is another word for fart...

I feel sad.




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Sat 28 May 16 #157 
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Yeah sally, Nellie the Elephant........sorry......Trump has yet to choose a VP candidate or what is known as a "running mate".  Yes, Sarah Palin, believe it or not, is under consideration for the second time.  The thought of hearing her shrill voice again in a general election campaign makes me shiver.

About your hubbies' opinion, there is great pressure over here to keep it non gender related.  BUT, even the press have stuffed up and let many, many sexist stunts and stabs through even causing some journalists to resign in disgust.  So, whilst it is assumed it's all about the candidates, there is a hidden agenda which almost overflows with old fashioned, straight up sexism as expressed by your significant other.

Nevertheless, HRC is still in the box seat even when taking email servers and Benghazi into account.  Once Bernie withdraws and the DNC and RNC conventions are done with, it will just be HRC and Nellie......sorry.....Trump.  Then things will get really interesting.




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Sat 28 May 16 #158 
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I remember seeing the John Oliver pieces when they were aired here - miss you Jon! (Stewart) - and yes, the cognitive dissonance is staggering.

I read a few articles that suggest Mitt Romney is being pressured into running as a last minute independent who will presumably be able to at least take votes away from Trump. 

I am singing along with Ruby




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Sat 28 May 16 #159 
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A quick shot back....Sarah Palin is definitely NOT being considered.  I will also say that I do have a right to comment on what goes on in Australia since you Aussies comment on what goes on in the US. I am on my way out but the US is absolutely ready for the RIGHT female candidate, but Hillary is carrying a lot of baggage.  I won't even get into it but she is a weak candidate and growing weaker all the time.  

 

The gun issue will be address in a future comment.  I say what is good for Australia may not be good for the US.  Chooky, you remain a sensible an unbiased person.  I like that.




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Tue 31 May 16 #160 
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Nahh, Mitt was played around with for a couple of weeks, but then dropped.  He has his own baggage anyway.

There is no doubt that HRC has problems.......much of them not her fault, and a few that are.

But when I see posts like in reddit.com that say "FBI almost at end of Hillary investigation and will charge soon", I literally shake my head and wonder how many morons exist in this country!

For the record, the FBI cannot charge anybody.  All they can do is refer their investigative results to their boss, the US Attorney General, Loretta Lynch.  It is only she and she alone who decides if there is a criminal charge result.

As for the many web articles I read, some from authors with credentials, most not, I see this unrelenting pattern of "kill" for no other reason that HRC is HRC.

That's where the discrimination kicks in......as if it had to.....it becomes obvious after a while that she is being attacked because she is a female.......the venom, the sly sexism, the overt sexism, the purposeful non-recognition of her experience as Secretary of State and the blatant belittling of her just because she is a female.

Yes Bernie, that includes you.  You are not the gentleman you made youself out to be.




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Fri 3 Jun 16 #161 
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Aussies can comment as much as they want to Ms not so Honey-like Badger as can the Brits, and Europeans, Asians, New Zealanders, Africans, South Americans and anyone else who I've left off.

 

You can comment on them as well - but get your facts right sugar babe!!!

 

You're not the boss of us - go back under your rock.




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Sat 4 Jun 16 #162 
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Errr, that's "badger" and I think it was meant to be "sugar" but I think HB gets the point.

Nobody is saying here that Honey Badger can't express her opinion.  But also, Honey Badger cannot stop others from expressing theirs regardless of where ever they come from.

Trump will be an international danger if he gets elected, there is no doubt about that.

As HRC stated in her great speech of yesterday, the man simply does not have the temperament to be leader of the free world.




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Sat 4 Jun 16 #163 
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I am surprised that nobody has posted here to congratulate Mr Trump and his campaign managers on the support that his candidacy has received from major international figures. It is of great importance that trans-Pacific alliances be cemented and besides mutual admiration Mr Trump and Kim Jong Un would have much to discuss: dynastic inheritance, hairdressing, vainglorious building projects, punishment by death and a trigger-happy attitude to the nuclear threat.

Bring on the new world order.




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Sat 4 Jun 16 #164 
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I'm moving to Tasmania to survive the new order.  I mean to say - Trump making friends with Korea (although makes sense - two megalomaniacs bonding).  Moving US troops out of Asia - upsetting China. WWIII anyone?  At least in Tassie I have a greater chance of surviving when the bombs start flying!




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Sat 4 Jun 16 #165 
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The greatest danger Trump poses is to make Hillary appear as a viable choice.




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Mon 6 Jun 16 #166 
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But that's the thing - many people would argue that (love her or hate her) because of Trump she is the only viable choice.

The following is a short list of responses I got when I asked F&F about "Viable Alternates to Trump" 

1) Ross Perot    

2) Jesse Ventura

3) Any Kardashian

4) Mayor West

5) "That guy who yelled 'Yee-haw'"

6) King Joffre

7) Jeremy Clarkson

8) Bernie Madoff

9) Alexander the Meerkat

10) Scurvy

P.S.  To any angry Trump supporters - just change "Trump" to another name and you should feel better straight away




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Tue 7 Jun 16 #167 
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HISTORY IS HAPPENING AT THIS POINT AND ON THIS DATE.....

Ladies and gentlemen, whether you approve of or not, Hillary Rodham Clinton has just been declared the Democratic Parties' Presumptive Nominee for President of the United States.

It is the 6th of June, 2016 as a matter of record.

What does that mean?  It means that with HRC's pledged delegates and including those known as "super-delegates" (those who aren't pledged but can say early who they are behind), Hillary Rodham Clinton's delegate count is now surpassing the 2,383 delegates required and thus, is the Democratic Party Presumptive Nominee for President of the United States.

sally906?  Congratulations!  Feel free to be proud.

I know I am and I know Java is.




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Tue 7 Jun 16 #168 
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Technical reason why?  It's the delegate count.

Hillary Rodham Clinton:

Pledged delegates - 1,812

Super delegates - 572

TOTAL DELEGATES:  2,384

Required Delegates:  2,383

Could this be changed at the Democratic National Convention IAW (In Accordance With) what Bernie Sanders is talking about relative to changing super-delegate's minds?

Well, SURE!  And "hillbillies" wanna be called "sons of the soil", but it ain't gonna happen.

(that was Dr. Hibbert from The Simpsons, not me, but I wish it was me)

 




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Tue 7 Jun 16 #169 
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The bottom line is, history is about to be made.

One of the two major political parties of the United States is about to declare a female as their nominee for the position of President of the United States of America.

Relative to Bernie Sanders and his team, agreed, maybe the "super delegates" minds are changeable leading to a humungous upheaval during the Democratic National Convention.

But that's just a hopeful belief and not a fact.

The FACT here is that HRC will have to take on one of the most disruptive, idiotic, foolish and immature candidates in United States electoral history.

She will do it with aplomb.......and tear him to strips, bit by bit.




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Tue 7 Jun 16 #170 
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I do hope she does start fighting back - she is very quiet - or maybe it is just that Aussie TV are ignoring her and concentrating on the whacky Trump




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Thu 9 Jun 16 #171 
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Bernie Sanders is hanging in there and still not conceding which is "HURRAH" to some and "GRRR" to others.

So, what has happened since the AP declared H as the presumptive democrat party nominee?

Well, yesterday's democratic primaries were big with California, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, New Mexico and New Jersey reporting.

H won California, South Dakota, New Mexico and New Jersey.  Bernie won North Dakota and Montana.

The current delegate count is as follows (source - Google):

H - 2,203 pledged delegates, 574 super-delegates, total 2,777

Bernie - 1,828 pledged delegates, 48 super-delegates, total 1,876

Now here is where the technicalities step in and tell the story of why Bernie will not concede yet.......

The delegate count required to claim the democratic nomination is 2,383. Now whilst H has got 2,777, 574 of those are super-delegates.  And so what?

Super-delegates can change their minds and have until the Democratic National Convention to do that. Pledged delegates are bound by the results of their state primaries and cannot change their minds.

Because H has a total of 2,203 pledged delegates, 180 short of the 2,383 required, Bernie thinks he has a chance of changing the minds of those 574 super-delegates (that have already pledged for H - see count above) up to and including the convention in Philadelphia (starting July 25th, 2016).

It's a long shot and pretty much everybody, including the 574 H pledged super-delegates themselves, reckon Bernie has a snowball's chance in hell of changing their minds. But he is seeing it out to the end and, well, he is entitled to I suppose.  But it is almost a certainty that Bernie will concede sooner or later.

As for H?  Well, late last night she gave a speech in which she seemed to accept the position of presumptive democratic nominee.  It started with a short film pointing out the struggle of women's rights:

History Made l Hillary Clinton

And then H gave her historic (herstoric?) speech:

Hillary Clinton Victory Speech - Brooklyn Naval Yard - June 7th, 2016

This can be an extremely difficult country to live in folks.  BUT, I have already seen world history up close and personal back in November 2008.  I fully believe I am about to see it again.




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Thu 9 Jun 16 #172 
sally906
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She should have Bernie as her running mate - together they will appeal to a large section of the USA




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Thu 9 Jun 16 #173 
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Java and I have discussed that.......we think the same thing relative to joining the two vote groups.  Clinton/Sanders makes sense to that extent.

But Elizabeth Warren is also a choice......a kickass female senator from Massachusetts who is unashamedly progressive, loves to kick Wall Street in the ass, and is a politician and formerly a civil servant (we call them public servants) with a proven record.

The choice is H's of course.

Did you watch the links sally?  What a great and historic time!




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Thu 9 Jun 16 #174 
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Little note.....

Some of you may have noticed that I now refer to Hillary Rodham Clinton, or HRC, as "H".

There is a reason for that.  Actually, get with your friends and make a game of guessing why.  It's great and fun for all the family!  Yay!

The actual reason is specific and purposeful.  It's my little statement.




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Thu 9 Jun 16 #175 
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As for me?  Hurrumpf, let me just ruffle and settle my male feathers here.

Ok.....whether or not you like it, the "glass ceiling" is not about to be broken, it's about to be shattered into non-existence.

If my demographic figures are right, and they are, H will be the President of the United States in five months.

What does that mean?

Well, first up, US corporate boards of directors will check themselves after realising that "old boys clubs" have just lost their last vestage of power.

Initially, that will mean a hiccup in the markets as they get used to this.  Expect it......it's gonna happen......yes, these old assholes are just that frail.  Not physically, just weirdly mentally frail.

Internationally, probably nothing much except for ripples coming from the United States adjustment.  After all, THEY have been choosing females as heads of government for years!

All in all, it's going to be different, but not earth-shatteringly so.

But the bottom line is, and this you get to take your sisters, daughters, grand-daughters, nieces, cousins, friends, or whatever.....

A woman is about to become the most powerful person in the entire world.

THAT is history.




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Fri 10 Jun 16 #176 
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I know why she is H!!!  It is all to do with femminism and horrified mother-in-laws.




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Fri 10 Jun 16 #177 
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LOL.....not quite for those reasons.  But, in a way, that's part of it.

Anyway, H's super-delegate count just went up by two.  The President of the United States and the Vice President of the United States.

The White House endorses H

That's important.  The President of the United States is not going to endorse anyone who might soon be indicted.  So, for those hoping that the US Attorney General is gonna lay a charge on H based on the silly email and server crap, you're shit outta luck.

That feeling is coming back.....the same feeling I got in 2008.....history is about to be made.....again.

After 15,000 years (approx.), the world is about to change.




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Tue 21 Jun 16 #178 
sally906
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So what happens now?  Everything has gone quiet on the presidential front - shouldn't they be campaigning for the elections later this year?




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Tue 21 Jun 16 #179 
jmaxg
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Umm.....Orlando happened.  That quietened everything by a million degrees.

Relative to Donald Trump, he dumped his campaign director, the thin whathisname with the crew cut hair.

Looks like the Trumpinator is getting serious.

That, by itself, is a joke.




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Tue 21 Jun 16 #180 
sally906
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So when does America vote?




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Tue 21 Jun 16 #181 
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is it November ?




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Thu 23 Jun 16 #182 
jmaxg
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Yup......United States presidential elections are held the first Tuesday following a Monday in November of an election year.  2016 is an election year.

As opposed to Australia where a maximum term for a governing political party is four years. But it never gets to that due to the Prime Minister who has the power to request a dissolution of either the Upper (the Senate) or Lower (the House of Representatives) Body or both from the Governor-General of Australia due to political reasons or favourable polls.




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Thu 23 Jun 16 #183 
sally906
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So when do Trump and Clinton start convincing the masses to vote for them?

As I said - it has gone very quiet - why?  Can't just be Orlando.




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Thu 23 Jun 16 #184 
jmaxg
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Oh no.....this country has it's party conventions coming up.

The Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania from July 25th to 28th 2016.

The Republican National Convention in Cleveland, Ohio from July 18th to 21st 2016.

THAT's when stuff gets sorted out.




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Thu 23 Jun 16 #185 
jmaxg
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Till then, both presumptive nominees will be battling it out old school style.




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Thu 23 Jun 16 #186 
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Strictly speaking, though, if any of this election process was being conducted "old school style" one of the candidates would be ridden out of town on a rail!




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Thu 23 Jun 16 #187 
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You mean Hillary, because of her criminal activities?  I agree!

 




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Thu 23 Jun 16 #188 
Honey Badger
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I haven't beenhere in so long and I have SOOOOOO much to say.  Let me say one thing which every woman should think abvout VERY CAREFULLY before they get all warm and fuzzy with HRC!!  Aside from her atrocious behavior concerning he illegal use of a private internet server I want you to think about THIS:  She takes millions of dollars from countries which practice strict Sharia law, where woman have NO rights, they cannot drive cars, they are assumed to be guilty of provocing rapes when they are not doing anything at all.  Hillary takes money from these savages and you don't think she's mysogynistic????  She must have utter contempt for every woman in the world.  The horror placed upong the backs of Muslim women is disgusting and Hillary should be ashamed to take a nickel from any  of these Muslim states but she takes MILLIONS!  She isn't quiet because she is a quiet type, Sallly.  She is someone who has nothing to say.  She is stale and her message if old.  AH!  Here's a blast from the past!  Hillary once called African Americans "super-predators!  She said "They are all super-predators and must be brought to heel!"  OMG!  That is a chillingly racist remark and yet you try to compare to Trump saying that there are criminals crossing our southern border and that Mexico is not sending us their best people. They aren't.  The fact that they enter our country without a visa is, in itself, a crime. So think about the MILLIONS OF $$$ HRC TAKES FROM SHARIA RULED STATES AND THINK ABOUT THE HORROR OF BEING A FEMALE IN ONE OF THOSE COUNTRIES. THINK STONING, FGM and more  Then come back and tell me, with a straight face that she has women's issues as her priority.  I will laugh in your ignorant faces.  And don't tell me she is a CHAMPION OF THE BLACKS!  SHE THINKS THEY NEED TO BE BROUGHT TO HEEL!!!  SHE IS A PIG!




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Thu 23 Jun 16 #189 
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I forgot to mention that I read that an Australian govet. Official has proposed a TEN YEAR MORATORIUM on Muslim immigration. Hmmmm.  It will be interesting to see how tht goes.




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Sat 25 Jun 16 #190 
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It won't go anywhere; It was a PROPOSAL!  And it's not even true.  It was mentioned in a memo in a tongue-in-cheek fashion.

But even if it was, that person was a simple employee!  They don't get to set policy, they just comment on it!!!

Jesus!  This argument is so time wasting!  Like the whole Hillary Clinton email server thing.....such a lot of time wasted for no good reason.

And if you are thinking I am itching for an argument about that, YOU ARE RIGHT!

Come at me you HB like idiots.  I know the whole issue up and down.

C'mon, have a go ya mugs!




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Sat 25 Jun 16 #191 
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Because I have time to spare, I am going to spell this "Hillary Clinton - email server" crap out:

  • Yes, Hillary Clinton chose to have her own email address as Secretary of State because she was advised to by the former Secretary of State, Colin Powell.
  • If she chose to keep her select emails on her own discreet hard drive (not multiple servers as suggested, as if anyone knows what a server is), that was fine as at the time.  There was no State Department policy in place yet.
  • No information, as far as we know, expressed in Hillary Clinton emails from her source was classified at the time.
  • Retrospectively classifying email substance is not actually legal as far as we can tell.
  • The United States Department of Justice is still considering.  But the President of the United States has endorsed Hillary Clinton.  I am guessing he is doing that because he does not want to be embarrassed.  I am thinking he checked it out before he made the announcement.

I may be wrong but I don't think that I am.




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Sat 25 Jun 16 #192 
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Back at what sally906 was asking.....

Things are in a bit of an equilibrium at the moment prior to the conventions.

Bernie Sanders is still in it, weirdly, but even he has admitted he has no chance so there is that.

H has had a couple of speeches, but is still waiting for the "zinger" to be provided by the orange skinned nong.

Trump still rabbits away oblivious to his own "brain/mouth" problem.  Now in Scotland I noticed, which is interesting, as they hate him there.




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Tue 28 Jun 16 #193 
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You are so thick, Jamx.  I will get back to you very soon and you are wrong about quite a few things.  Why can't I write now? Because I have neeb awake all night, not feeling great.

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Tue 28 Jun 16 #194 
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Sorry about that HB.  Get well and get back to us.

About me being thick, Java says to stop whispering nothings into my ear or else!

(she can be rather jealous)




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Thu 30 Jun 16 #195 
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Ok.....so now she is asleep, we get to talk about other interesting things.

Trump fired his capaign director Corey Lewandowski......the guy who's whole tactic was to "let Trump be Trump".

Paul Manafort, the new guy in charge, promised a new Trump campaign direction the day after Lewandowski was fired.

I listened to Trump's speech today (29 June 2016)......umm, oh dear.

Mr. Manafort has a lot of work to do.




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Sat 2 Jul 16 #196 
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More news about the Clintons.....and this can be treated as serious or just a fart in the wind....

Anyway, Bill Clinton happened to come across the current US Attorney General, Loretta Lynch during a stopover at an airport. Because it was hot at that airport in Arizona (about 113 F), they both went aboard her plane to have a 30 minute discussion that was apparently about family and grandkids.

But now, the US Attorney General has stated that she will no longer choose to decide to prosecute Hillary Clinton due to the furore over that meeting.  Instead, she will leave it to her assistant prosecutors and the Head of the FBI.

(in other words, the opposition, and many others,think that Bill Clinton just used that 30 minutes to influence the United States Attorney General)

I personally think that won't change anything.  I still don't think ANYONE has anything of substance to charge Hillary Clinton with anything at all.

But it was still a silly move by Bill Clinton to do that and I bet Hillary told him so.

 




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Sat 2 Jul 16 #197 
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Speaking of that, we now have the very realistic possibilty of a "Madam President" with a husband.

So what do we call him?  "First Dude"?  Naahh, not a good choice.

As hilarious as it sounds, this will have to be a choice eventually.

"First Gentleman" seems to be the frontrunner.  But I dunno....can we do better?

I'd like to hear thoughts.




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Sat 2 Jul 16 #198 
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Julia Gillard's partner was called the first bloke!  If a President's wife is a First Lady then a presidents husband should be first man!




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Sun 3 Jul 16 #199 
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If the President's husband is the First Man, then surely the President's wife would be the First Woman - would you Adam and Eve it?

My suggestion is that along the lines of Veep all future White House spouses could be the Peep, PP the President's partner. Fulfils all those deadly earnest politically correct/non-gender specific requirements but is light enough to puncture the balloon of importance of non-elected figures.




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Mon 4 Jul 16 #200 
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I like that Ruby :)




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Mon 4 Jul 16 #201 
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Thanks Sally. I had two thoughts after posting that:

What would the Vice-President's partner be called? the VeepPeep? And sadly the idea will never get traction because nobody would want the President's partner referred to as pee-pee.




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Tue 5 Jul 16 #202 
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Well pee-pee has underlying second meaning - LOL!




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Wed 6 Jul 16 #203 
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FINAL WORD BY THE FBI - INVESTIGATION OF SEC. CLINTON'S EMAIL SERVERS

The Director of the FBI, James Comey, delivered an address today which was the FBI's final word on the FBI's investigation of the then Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton's use of private email servers and how it relates to the handling of classified information, prior to handing it over to the Department of Justice (known as the DOJ, headed by the US Attorney General, Loretta Lynch).

Transcript of press speech given by James Comey, Federal Bureau of Investigation Director, July 5th, 2016

RECOMMENDATION

It will be the recommendation of the FBI to the DOJ that no charges be pursued.

(NOTE:  The DOJ may pursue charges anyway as they are the last word in the US relating to the preferring of legal charges.  But the FBI have declared they will not be involved if that happens)

SUMMARY OF THE ADDRESS BY THE FBI DIRECTOR

1.  Hillary Clinton delivered 30,000 singular emails or parts of email "chains" to the FBI for analysis.

2.  The FBI also received, or extracted from the servers, several thousand more emails deemed "work related" or "personal" after the Clinton legal team vetted the remainder.  This constituted the bulk, if not entirety of the former Secretary of State's submission.

3.  Of the emails analysed, it was determined that 110 emails in 52 email "chains" contained data that was considered "classified" as at the dates of the communications.

4.  Given reports of other or foreign agents or identities hacking into Secretary Clinton's email arrangements at that time, no confirmation can be found of this.  Which is not to say it didn't happen.

5.  "As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case."

POLITICAL IMPLICATIONS

Whilst the former Secretary of State will not be charged with anything, although that's up to the DOJ, the fact is there is much to be handled by political minders and spin doctors.

Hillary Clinton did state many times that classified information was not handled using her email arrangement.  Well, either she is wrong or the combined forces of the FBI are wrong.  Most people will think it's the former.  I have something to say about that later on in this post.

The problem is H's "trust" index is rather low and that's just a fact.  So, it is possible that some further damage may result.  Whether or not that is justified is an argument all by itself.

Howard Fineman, a Huffington Post political writer whom I respect, said this today in an article posted after the FBI Director's address:

"And that’s the theme that enemies of the Clintons have pursued for a generation, and that Trump will double down on now: That the Clintons game the system, even if they stay just half a hair on the right side of the black letter of the law. Bill Clinton only reinforced that perception when he charged aboard Attorney General Loretta Lynch’s plane last week."

For years and years, that has been the perception, whether backed up by facts or not.  And films like "Primary Colors" (1998) have reinforced it.

But is it strictly correct?  I don't know even in the face of Howard Fineman thinking he knows.  But the fact is there is a lot of crap to get through before this is over. Much of it H's doing. That has to be stated.

JMAXG'S ANALYSIS

Back in a former life, I used to handle classified traffic.  Something about what the FBI Director said today doesn't ring quite true.

Obviously classified material has to be handled in a certain way.  With documents, it involved using folders with different colours for example.  Mail might be triple or quadruple enveloped with a seal to be broken at the end.  Higher classified mail was couriered from person to person.....something described in amazingly accurate Frederick Forsythe novels.

But email?  That's the bit I don't get.

Director Comey goes to great lengths (transcription above) to explain what security classification is and that higher level State Department personnel have a duty in relation to that.

But he never really explained what a classified email looks like and what to do if you got one.

Also, he never covered the ORIGIN of such emails........did Secretary Clinton take from classified text and CREATE an email?  Did someone else do that and send it to her?  What are the implications of that relative to the initial transferral (copy and paste) from a classified source?  What was done to find out who did that?  Could it be reasonably stated that recipients of such emails knew of the classified nature in the first place, given that nothing was offered at all relative to what classified transmission of email should be like?  Important detail for any case, whether for or against.

The FBI Director's address, while detailed, seemed a little "off" to me.  Like stuff was added to make it look more culpable.  Did the FBI Director get his text vetted by another source or was he himself ordered to make it seem more damaging?

Obvious questions given the political climate.

CONCLUSION

While the FBI Director's comments were determining, they were also unnecessarily and creatively damaging.

I found that curious.

 

 

 




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Sat 9 Jul 16 #204 
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I find your analysis interesting, Jmaxg, since I, too, found Comey's remarks incredibly puzzling.  There is more to come. I am sure of that.




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Sun 10 Jul 16 #205 
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Honey Badger and jmaxg agree on something - dogs and cats are living together - film at eleven!

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Sun 10 Jul 16 #206 
jmaxg
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Anyway, just in case y'all don't know, political presidential election traffic has slowed down in lieu of the Dallas Protest Shootings.

Let us all remember that 5 policemen died because of one idiot trying to make a point.

The Roll of Honour is:

Officer Brent Thompson
Officer Michael Krol
Officer Patrick Zamarripa
Sergeant Michael Smith
Senior Corporal Lorne Ahrens

Rest in peace officers.  You did your duty.




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Sun 10 Jul 16 #207 
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A friend of mine's husband is in the Dallas police force. He is an African American - his best friend was Michael Krol - but he knew them all.  He is terribly upset but he says not one of the Dallas police are screaming revenge  

 




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Sat 16 Jul 16 #208 
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I don't think that is the point.

With all due deference, we are trying to work out why policemen were targeted.

The reason for that, at least in the short term, by the guy that shot and killed policemen, was because policemen shot and killed black men.

I am not backing him up for that.  But why does it get to stage two?

The Chief of Police ordered in a robot, with plastic explosive, right up to his point........then blew it up.  That guy died because of that.

I think that is unconstitutional.  But you blew him the fuck up anyway.

I am glad to say so. It has always effected me since I heard.
 

Wanna blow him up?  Then transgress the fourth and fifth amendments to the Bill of Rights.

But they blew him up anyway.




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Sat 16 Jul 16 #209 
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This stuff is not easy.  But it has to be discussed.




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Tue 19 Jul 16 #210 
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Day One of the Republican National Convention

Oh dear......something has gone wrong.

Donald Trump's wife, Melania Trump gave a speech.

It's now been realised that Melania Trump's speech was, in large part, plagiarized from Michelle Obama's speech from the 2008 democratic national convention.

Like I said, oh dear.




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Tue 19 Jul 16 #211 
jmaxg
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And guess who is NOT Tweeting?

Donald?  Where are you when we need you!




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Tue 19 Jul 16 #212 
jmaxg
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Melania Trump:

"I wrote it, with a little help."

~ NBC Video the day she delivered her speech




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Tue 19 Jul 16 #213 
jmaxg
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You KNOW The Donald is gonna spin this.

Go for it ya dickhead!




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Tue 19 Jul 16 #214 
sally906
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Saw that on the news tonight they played Michelle's Speech then the bimbo's speech one line at a time. The only thing different was the accent. My goodness what gall!!




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Wed 20 Jul 16 #215 
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How could she think she would get away with it?




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Thu 21 Jul 16 #216 
jmaxg
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Well, the Trump camp finally admitted today that it was lifted.....plagiarised.......from Michelle Obama's speech in the 2008 Democratic National Convention.

Even while the Trump campaign director (Manafort) was still out there in front of the press, claiming it was not.

Get it together guys!  Geez!

 




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Thu 21 Jul 16 #217 
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Why will Hillary Rodham Clinton become the next president of the United States?

One simple word.......demographics.

These are the groups sampled in polls that are relative to categories.  So let's have a look, shall we?

Whites voting - all categories - Trump 51% - Hillary 53%

African/Americans - Trump 15% - Hillary 75%

Hispanics - Trump 10% - Hillary 70%

Asians - Trump 20% - Hillary 65%

According to THAT, all Hillary has to do is show up in November.

I know, it sucks to be "him".




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Fri 22 Jul 16 #218 
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Why don't you correct the information about the misinformation you gave about Melania's speech?  And why are you calling her a bimbo?  She doesn't seem to be one to me .  AND there weren't  tweets or spin from Donald Trump just a letter of resignation from a Trump aide who explained what happened and which Donald rejected.  Really, people, it was no big deal.  It was small potatoes and  I don't really care about your demographics, jmaxg, that RNC convention showed a CLEAN slate nd a lot of good people, not idiots.  I don't think Hillary can escape from her lies and awful record when she is held up against what the Republicans have to offer.

Did I hear correctly that Hillary already backed out of a debate with Donald?  Please, Hillary.  Please debate him so everyone can see that YOU are the candidate with your foot on the banana skin!  I never saw ANY candidate get so many delegates in all my years of watching politics.  Nearly 1600 delegates?  Come on!  The people are SPEAKING!

Your percentages of support for Hillary will change quickly and some are already incorrect.  Check Rasmussen Polls, the only reliable, meaning unbiased one, and I mean unbiased in either direction.  You can't just pull numbers out of your hat and expect us to believe them!  Get real!

Sit back and enjoy the ride while DJT ascends to the Presidency!

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Sun 24 Jul 16 #219 
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OK, now you have all been calling TRUMP a bigot, which he is not, and here we go with new Wikileaks, showing what a bigoted group the Democrat National Committee is.   They show , in a nutshell, because I am not given to meaningless verbal smoke screens like others here, it shows the  DNC was rigging the primary process against BERNIE SANDERS by the use of "Super delegates" and now, even worse, it turns out that Bernie was secretly discriminated against because of his Jewish heritage.  That is in writing and THAT is disgusting.  

I am completely disgusted by each and every one of you.  I will not be wasting my time here any longer.  I think you are all a group of narrow, bigoted people yourselves.  You are quick to judge,particularly you, JMK, and I am sick of you.  To you, Ruby, I say love live sovereignty and (Profanity deleted) the NEW WORLD ORDER!  To Chookie, I say the Wall will be built, as it is in the Republican National Committees Slate.  To Sally, I say don't worry so much about where you get your Christmas cards from.  To TabbyToes I say I like you a lot and have never had any ill-feelings towards you.  Stand up for yourself.  Now that the only person with any common sense and true intelligence has left, KEV, I am leaving on my own The site used to be so much fun and I loved it but now?  It is crap.  Ruined.  I sure hope you have a blast adoring each other.  Adios know-it-all, know nothings.  Have fun knowing how low you really are.  So small,  so narrow, so wrong about nearly everything. And finally, I say LONG LIVE THE SECOND AMENDMENT and DOWN WITH ISLAMIST EXTREMISM!!!!!!!!  #TRUMP 2016




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Sun 24 Jul 16 #220 
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Dear Honey Badger (on the off chance you come back to see how people respond to your post), A 20 metre high titanium wall - with frickin laser beams! - won't do anything to solve your problems. Perhaps you would have more fun if you concentrated more on the brainoffs?  You don't seem to play very often (since I joined, at least). That's the main purpose of this site after all!  A lot of hard work on the part of the administrators - tournament organisers, editors etc, makes it possible for the rest of us to enjoy great quizzes on a daily basis. For free!  If you bore that in mind maybe you wouldn't think it's 'crap'. 

 




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Sun 24 Jul 16 #221 
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PS: I think that very often our own faults appear magnified when observed in other people.


 




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Mon 25 Jul 16 #222 
Ruby Franks (online)
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It's a pity that people are leaving a quiz site because they don't like the discussions on side strands. I hope they don't feel harangued or victimised into leaving. I didn't know kevg had left, it's a shame.

 




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Mon 25 Jul 16 #223 
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serious discussion is fine but now we need some fun and well put Chooky xxx




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Mon 25 Jul 16 #224 
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Don't worry about where I get my Christmas cards from?  Is HB off her medication again?  What the hell has that got to do with Trump?  I don't worry about my Christmas cards - I have a list of family and friends who get cards - and none of them worry me.  Should I be worried?  

Ruby - Kev didn't so much leave as was banned for two weeks. I don't know what he said as it was deleted but I understand he upset a few people with some comments.

He does press people's buttons - he'll be back at some stage I am sure.

Discussions are great - disagreements are healthy but must be done in the spirit of respect. 




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Mon 25 Jul 16 #225 
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Thanks Sally, I thought Kev had been banned for a couple of weeks, but Honey Badger said in her post that he had left. I was one of the people who argued against what Kev said and condemned it. I didn't ask for his banning, and was quite surprised, because I thought the arguments against him were enough to show that this is not a site of hatred or prejudice. I was going to post that I wasn't for the banning, but as often happens with me, I didn't have the time (I use it up doing quizzes) to post about freedom of expression and the occasion passed.

I like the fact the nobody seems to be obsessive about looking every minute to answer points in arguments, but it can mean that discussions can fizzle out or be led in a different direction by those who have stayed with it. But that's part of the interest isn't it?

I wonder if that's one of the things that has annoyed Honey Badger, nobody answered her penultimate post. We're certainly answering her last one.

By the way, I opened this strand earlier to say something on THAT speech, but now I'll just summarize by plagiarising the late, great and fabulous Caroline Aherne:

'Now tell me Melania, what first attracted you to the billionaire Donald Trump?'




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Tue 26 Jul 16 #226 
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Don't sweat about young Kev. The discussions are very eclectic and wander around all over the place but considering there are some very diverse and strong opinions we don't do too badly




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Tue 26 Jul 16 #227 
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also a fair dose of wind up merchants !!




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Thu 28 Jul 16 #228 
jmaxg
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If his record says anything, kevg will be back.  But this time, he may not be.

Ya see, I was one of the one's that called out his post.....along with others......but I specifically remember bringing it to JMK's attention.  That part may have just been me.

But I am NOT going to take back what I did.  49 people died in that incident and what kevg said about it was wholly unacceptable.  Our site has well defined rules and those rules were transgressed.

I am currently thrashing this out in email with His Highness so we shall see.

But he has, in the past, realised that he has gone overboard so let's just see what kevg does next.

 




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Thu 28 Jul 16 #229 
jmaxg
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Honey Badger?  Melania's speech was plagiarised.  Get over it.




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Fri 29 Jul 16 #230 
Ruby Franks (online)
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If Mr Trump (whilst sporting a Chinese-made baseball cap) is promising jobs for American workers, why does he want to contract out to Russian hackers?




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Fri 29 Jul 16 #231 
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Well I have to say I am one proud Aussie today.

Most of you know that Hillary Clinton is a cousin through marriage. Her grandfather and my husbands grandfather were brothers. Hillary and I met in Sydney in 1996 - but had been corresponding for a few years before that as we were on the same genealogy forum.  Now I don't muchly know anything about politics in America - I know she is a Democrat - and lots of people seem to like disliking her. But I don't care - I don't judge her on her politics. I judge her as a relative who writes friendly chit chat letters to me. We don't talk politics - we talk about the discovery of a birth record from the 1600s that we'd both be trying to track down. We talk about our grandchildren, and another mutual relative who is battling cancer.  Yes, I am still in contact - I sent an email to her only this morning congratulating her on her historic nomination.

I don't care if you are a republican, a democrat or a nothing. But I have heard many Americans saying they aren't going to vote because they don't like either presidential candidate - please don't waste your vote. Get out there and vote for your local representative - from whichever party - follow your conscience- but don't let either of the candidates get in by indifference because that would be a crime.  And if one of them wins, and one of them will, and it one you hate the most - and you didn't vote - then you deserve what you get and don't you dare winge!  But please let me have my moment of joy at a family members achievement :)




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Fri 29 Jul 16 #232 
amalia
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Sally of course be proud of Hilary Clinton .... Her achievements are inspiring and admirable and I definitely appreciate her qualities , passion and commitment, intellect and depth ... 

I'm with her.... 

 




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Fri 29 Jul 16 #233 
Ruby Franks (online)
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Completely justified family pride there, Sally.

And you're so right, voting is a duty as well as a right.

Here's hoping the family history emails confuse the Russians:)




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Sat 30 Jul 16 #234 
jmaxg
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History Has Been Made

To H's itty bitty cousin (sally906), I state that I am so proud to know you.

To my American daughter Jennifer, and her female cousins, and in particular, my grand-daughter Amiah, this is for you.

To my Australian daughters, Tiffany, Carmelina and Filomena, your entire world has just opened up.

To my son Antonio.....it's been 20,000 years in the making.......get over it already!

To my wife and the love of my life, Java, you always knew we were equals.

But this is extraordinary......and November 8 is gonna be for you and it's gonna shatter the sky.




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Sat 30 Jul 16 #235 
jmaxg
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In the 2008 election, both Java and me were all about Hillary Clinton.

Of course, we realised how special the young senator from Illinois was and yes, we were over the moon when Hillary Clinton led her New York delegation to declare him to be the nomination for President of the United States.

But where did Java and I come from?

For 20,000 years, far longer than slavery was even a thing, men have been keeping their foot on the neck that is woman. In 2008, Java and I felt that it was time to make a statement.

As it turned out, it wasn't the right time and Barack Obama was, quite rightly, elected.

But now, in 2016, it is the right time.  It's time to say "enough of this sexist shit".

Hillary Clinton, by a country mile, is the most qualified nominee for president that we have had maybe in the history of the United States of America.  A secretary of state, a senator of New York and a first lady of the United States and a first lady of Arkansas.

Men will say "Wait a minute".  But let's be honest, men will keep saying that, especially powerful men, no matter what.

But enough is enough.  It's time to stop hiding behind old farts and their sexist ways.

It's time for a woman to be the most powerful person on the face of our planet.




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Tue 2 Aug 16 #236 
jmaxg
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WITH REGARD TO FBI DIRECTOR JAMES COMEY

On one day, he gave his passionate speech as to why he could not charge Hillary Clinton during which he declared there was the following:

"110 emails containing classified material of top secret"

When FBI Director Comey went before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Oversight and testified, that statement was reduced to:

"3 emails containing confidential material"

Of those 3 emails, Representative Elijah Cummings of that committee questioned that:

"Given the circumstances, would state department employees have noticed that the email was classified or not?"

FBI Director Comey answered, "Probably not".

POINT OF ORDER

1.  The FBI Director said during his press conference that Hillary Clinton did this and she did what the press conference stated....that there were 110 emails that were classified at the time....top secret or better and Hillary Clinton sent them.

2.  As at the Senate Judiciary Committee oversight hearing at which FBI Director James Comey testified, the story changed.

3.  Now, all of a sudden, it's just three emails out of 30,000.

4.  Not "top secret" as the FBI Director stated in his presentation, but now "confidential".

5.  And those emails were improperly marked before Secretary of State Clinton received them.

Wow!  To put it bluntly, what a crock!




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Tue 2 Aug 16 #237 
jmaxg
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I have isolated the transcripts.  If you want them, I will post them.




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Tue 2 Aug 16 #238 
jmaxg
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POLLS

A very good question has been asked for the last 20 years.

That question being "What do you think of your candidate coming out of their political convention?"

Hillary in 2016 is at plus 4.

Barack Obama was plus 5 at 2012.  So was John McCain in 2008.

Mitt Romney was plus 3 in 2012.

Donald Trump in 2016?  He is minus 15.




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Tue 2 Aug 16 #239 
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To the subject of Donald Trump's sacrifice following the Khan Gold Star family issue....

A New York Times article about Donald Trump avoiding the draft

Now we have a new nick-name......."ol' bone-spurs Donald".

Next will be his new tactic......accusing Hillary Clinton of avoiding the draft.




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Tue 2 Aug 16 #240 
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I just assumed that the 'problem with my feet' was that they were permanently pointed away from anything resembling danger.




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Tue 2 Aug 16 #241 
jmaxg
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As in "Feet? Don't fail me now!".




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Wed 3 Aug 16 #242 
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Love that!!!




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Wed 3 Aug 16 #243 
Ruby Franks (online)
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I think that this strand needs to be renamed. Donald Trump is the banana skin. Don't step on it USA, because you'll find yourselves up to the neck in something much worse than fruit peel.

When Theresa May, through the weirdness of UK democratic institutions, became our unelected Prime Minister and appointed Boris Johnson as a Foreign Secretary, I remarked that rather as performance artists can do things for real - getting tattoos, destryong their possessions, sleeping in public; so Mrs May was a performance satirist, doing the satire for real. Mr Trump seems to have taken performance satire to another level. There must be a lot of comedy writers resting in the USA at the moment, Mr Trump is doing their job for them.

However, this is serious, he is attempting to do it for real, so I would like to know something about his policies and vision for the future. My reading of the news and the headlines in the UK doesn't give a great deal of detail, so I'd love to know what he really thinks, or how his team is advising him.

I've heard a wall will be built to keep out illegal immigrants and drugs. I thought that as a businessman Mr Trump would know that drug and people smuggling are big business and that business will always find a way into a market and that the USA is a major market for drugs and cheap labour.

Mr Trump has said that it could be possible that he could use a nuclear bomb in Europe. He may have been trying to pass Philosophy 101, and did OK on the logic and linguistic element, but doesn't seem to have done so well on the ethics and politics element (I don't even want to discuss his take on aesthetics).

Mr Trump doesn't really seem to have got a grasp on Russia's relationship with the Ukraine.

He also hasn't seem to have grasped Scotland's (current) place within the UK or how various parts of the UK voted in the referendum on leaving the EU.

Mr Trump seems to want to be a strong leader and seems to admire strong leaders, to the extent that he he is the only world figure I have heard of in the last 30 years saying anything positive about a North Korean leader. (I wonder if there is a correlation in that N.Korea uses the British royal family a lot in their propaganda to justify their dynasty and Mr Trump would....)

How does Mr Trump relate to the ordinary voter when he describes a parental loan of $1,000,000 dollars as 'small'?

Does he think comparing the situation of parents whose child has died in conflict to his setting up of a business to be a valid when talking of sacrifice?

Is it better to condemn a wife for standing next to her husband when he makes a speech or to have your wife be a plagiarist?

Mr Trump wants to make 'America great again'. This sounds like copying UKIP's slogans to me. What does it mean? The USA is one of the largest world economies, has great cultural and political influence, it doesn't perform so well on education, health or crime figures, perhaps this is what he's talking about.

Does Mr Trump know that party support is needed when entering an election? Is it a good idea to alienate other Republicans? There again, if a candidate subscribes to the idea that anyone with any political experience is of no use, then of course party discipline or solidarity is of no interest. It may get a candidate somewhere by saying that non-politicians should have their say, but at some point, in democracies a political machine is needed, and perhaps if you wish to be a political leader some experience, or even a modicum of understanding of politics is needed.

I've heard a lot from the USA about globalisation, both from Trump and Sanders supporters (and to a lesser extent in the UK from the Brexit camp). I don't understand what it means. Globalisation means to me that I'm playing quizzes on Factacular; that if I wish I can buy ludicrously out of season food from all parts of the world; that given the right economic  cicrumstances my country won't run out of energy sources; that there is international terrorism, that there is an international fight against terrorism; that international money markets and banks can fail and cause economic depression and much more; that there is some form of jurisdiction on human rights abuse.  How much of this does Mr Trump think he can change?

To return to my question. I've heard some policy from Mr Trump, but how will it be enacted? He claims to be a businessman who got things to work, how will he get his vision for America to work? How can he make me feel less unhappy and nervous about the future of world politics?




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Thu 4 Aug 16 #244 
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A brilliant submission, thank you Ms. Franks, every part worthy of acclaim and/or further discussion.

The first thing we have to understand about Donald Trump is his characteristic narcissism.

To those that are unaware, narcissism is a reference to an old Greek parable about a youth, Narcissus who, even though confronted by the advances of a beautiful nymph, chose to fall in love with his own reflection in a pool of water.  He then stayed transfixed for so long, he did nothing else.......except that he eventually turned into a flower.

This, as a metaphor relative to Donald Trump, must surely be seen as apt.

In the last 36 hours, America and the world has seen a train wreck unfold whilst all the time, we are hearing stories about how the Trump campaign team are pleading with him to shut the hell up.  Well, it's August and traditionally a slow political month in front of a presidential election and THAT is why they are trying to shut him up!  Hillary is coasting.  Trump is using up every available kilojoule of energy for no reason whatsoever.

As to the GOP and what they are now realising they have signed up for, there is talk of them trying to get out of the deal.

But the fact is, they can't.  Unless Trump himself bows out, there is no way they can rid themselves of him. Well, there are ways because basically the Republican Party, just like the Democratic Party, is a club just like the Lion's Club or The Rotarians......a "club" can do whatever they want because they make the rules.  It's just a matter of if they have the balls to do it.

To be honest, BOTH candidates have faults.

But, I feel with all honesty that the press have been especially UNFAIR to former Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton.

People keep saying "And with Hillary's policies as Secretary of State, this has happened and that has happened.".

I am so sick and tired of people not understanding how government works!

The Secretary of State does NOT create policy....she enacts it.  Why people don't understand that blows me away.

She ADVISES as to direction and detail, to be sure.  But it is the President that has the final say.  Why the press doesn't explain this is beyond my understanding.

EXCEPT THAT her name is Hillary Clinton and JUST because of that, you know there is gonna be a republican inspired shit storm no matter what she does.

The press, in turn, stretches out the story instead of shutting it down.  Why?  Because it means more hours, more viewers, more advertising and more revenue. Welcome to America!

Ruby, I don't claim that I can defend the outrageous antics of certain candidates and the press in general.

But I hope I have explained it to a certain degree.




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Thu 4 Aug 16 #245 
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The truth is, Donald Trump LOVES to listen and watch himself talk.

Which is weird, because he has one of the worst smiles I have ever seen.

It's actually more like a grimace.....

I mean, what is that....a smile....is his underwear too tight.....did glue from his eyes ooze down to his mouth?

It doesn't look real to me.




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Sat 6 Aug 16 #246 
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Relative to H, she did it today again!

When faced with a question about ther emails, she went into a ramble that posed more questions than answers!  There is an answer to this!  A solid, verifiable answer to this!  Why does she do this?

If she was my cousin, I would tell her to stop making life difficult and point out the difference between FBI Comey's press conference, and the transcript of his appearance before the Senate Oversight Commitee.

That part that the press DOESN'T talk about.

When "110 emails classified top secret" (director Comey's press conference statement) becomes "3 emails classified confidential" (director Comey's testimony before the Senate Oversight Commitee) and nobody questions the difference? Yeah, it's party produced partisanship.

If I were Hillary Clinton, I'd be telling everyone to "read the transcript".




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Sat 6 Aug 16 #247 
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If I were Hillary Clinton I might not want all my relatives proffering advice, although I might question the advice of my actual advisors. You're right, have a straight answer and stick to it.

My advice to her is during the debates, (and at other times) whatever outrage and insult is offered by Mr Trump, ignore it, let him dig his own grave and question him on policy policy policyand economy economy economy.

 I know Mr Trump has taken the art (art?) of the wild soundbite to a new extreme and maybe that's appealing to some and can create mass rally enthusiasm, but I'm hoping after 8 years of a fairly dignified White House, mob politics won't win.




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Sat 6 Aug 16 #248 
jmaxg
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And if I were her cousin.....?

I'd tell her to get over it and prepare to become the next President of the United States of America.




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Sat 6 Aug 16 #249 
jmaxg
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We think we were emotional at the nomination.

Imagine how we are gonna be when it actually happens.

~ A glad guy




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Thu 11 Aug 16 #250 
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Donald Trump as at Monday:

"Hillary wants to abolish, essentially abolish the Second Amendment (pause). By the way, and if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know."

And the right wingers exploded and tried to point out what he meant to say was.....blah, blah, apologetic, blah, b'blah blah.

The thing is Trump's statement immediately after that.  He said "That would be a horrible thing."  THAT's the part Trump said immediately afterwards.

Well, that defines it for me.  He could not have been talking about voting as Rudy Guliani says....since when was voting a "horrible thing"?

What he meant was "oh, such a shame, 2nd amendment crazies went out and attempted to shoot Hillary Clinton.". Followed by "That would be a horrible thing."

I know American press are supposed to be left leaning loonies, but why did you all do that.....cut off the moment where he defined what he said?

Answer?  They don't want him put away just yet.......he's worth too much "copy".

 




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Thu 11 Aug 16 #251 
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He who lives by the sword - die by the sword. Even his pack is starting to turn on him. Just keep talking Trump - just keep talking - that's the biggest favour you can give the world - just keep talking. 




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Sat 13 Aug 16 #252 
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Indeed...lets take on the whole "Obama and Hillary created ISIS" thing that nong-head (Trump) then claimed as "sarcastic".....

Al-baghdadi (the creator of ISIS and the attempted caliphate) got his claim to fame because President George W. Bush took out Iraq's Saddam Hussein and created a "power vacuum" resulting from 250,000 batthist muslims being put out of work.

They then coalesced around Al-baghdadi to try to reclaim their national pride and ISIL was created.

That was 2002 to 2007.....back when both Hillary and Barack were senators.

Pardon my french, but what the f*ck is Trump talking about?




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Sat 13 Aug 16 #253 
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I'll try one last time.........the press don't do this for truth, they do this for "COPY"!!!!

If your name is Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton, they do this for ratings.

The fact is FBI Director James Comey DID CHANGE what he said between his press conference and his testimony in front a senate oversight committee.  Apparently nobody gives a shit about that.

But a non-existent issue about emails?  Yeah!  Let's do that!

Changing 110 TOP SECRET emails to 3 confidential emails between the original press conference and the subsequent senate committee is somehow not pertinent???  What's worse is that no news agency pointed that out.

Those three confidential emails were not properly marked anyway BEFORE she received them......what the HELL are we doing???

Ladies and gentlemen, we can't speak for "that other estate".

What we can do is poke them in the ribs from time to time though.

They are getting lazy.......really, really lazy.

 




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Sun 14 Aug 16 #254 
Ruby Franks (online)
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'Nong- head'....great expression.




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Tue 16 Aug 16 #255 
jmaxg
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And Bill Clinton says at a speech that this is all "a load of bull".

He's right........people are applying a different standard to Hillary that they would to anyone else because she is female.

It's just that simple.




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Tue 16 Aug 16 #256 
Ruby Franks (online)
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Today I was clattering around in the kitchen with half an ear to the radio when excerpts of Mr Trump's speech about vetting immigrants were being played, I kept hearing the phrase 'extreme venom' rather than 'extreme vetting'. 

No further comment needed really.




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Thu 18 Aug 16 #257 
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It's so irritating, isn't it?

It's not just "extreme vetting".  It's "extreme, extreme, EXTREME vetting" yet he did not actually state what that meant.

As Chris Matthews of MSNBC inferred:

"So I am a bank robber and I am stopped by the bank security guard. 'Are you here to do bank business?' he would ask.  'Yes.' I would reply. And he would let me in."

Simplistic as it may be, Chris has a point. Consider an entrant to the United States using Trump's logic:

Extreme Vetting:

"Welcome to the USA.  Are you here to cause no good?"  "No." "Ok, welcome to the United States."

Extreme, extreme vetting:

"Welcome to the USA.  Are you here to cause no good?" "No." "Are you sure?" "Yes." "Ok, welcome to the United States."

Extreme, extreme, EXTREME vetting:

"Welcome to the USA.  Are you here to cause no good?" "No." "Are you sure?" "Yes." "Are you really, REALLY sure?"  "Yes." "Ok, welcome to the United States."

An oversimplification perhaps, but there is a limit to how much you can question an incoming visitor unless probable cause exists.  If you think that wearing a beard or a hijab constitutes probably cause, then the United States is gonna get bogged down by so many legal challenges, it will have no more resources to do anything else.

The thing is "extreme vetting" is as low on detail than anything else Donald Trump spits out.....it's literally nothing.  He spits it out and nobody questions him about it.

He will have more detail in the debates, sure enough.  If Trump shows up.

But any opposition will surely pick up on the constitutional implications of his blatherings and bat him about like a volleyball.

That's what I would do anyway.......hint, hint Hillary, hint, hint.




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Tue 23 Aug 16 #258 
jmaxg
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The New 15,000 Hillary Clinton emails!

I can explain it and it's rather boring.

Originally, the bulk of Hillary Clinton's emails were released to the State Department so they could define what was work and what was personal.

Relative to the United States AND the FBI, they had access to ALL emails from Hillary Clinton's server and have analysed them.

They have literally looked at all emails.

This new 15,000 emails?  Even the FBI does not get this.

The FBI have already seen them.




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Tue 23 Aug 16 #259 
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Look everybody, soon I am gonna explode.

The reason that Hillary Clinton is being bashed against is because she is a woman.  That's it....no other reason.

Of the people that object, 99.99% of them are men.

I look at this and want to respond.

The response is:

"F*@k you!"

(edit: grammatical structure - first sentence)




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Thu 1 Sep 16 #260 
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So the Donald flys over to Mexico to meet with the President.  Apparently, at the President's invitation.

The summary of which wasn't good for anybody. Trump says they didn't talk about who is gonna pay for the "Wall", and the Mexican President in a tweet says they did......and no, Mexico is not gonna pay for anything.

Mexican President Pena is rating so low as to be a joke.  Why does Trump meet with him then?  Because no other world leader will grant a meeting with Trump....simple.

Why doesn't Hillary Clinton demand such meetings?  Well, because she already has met with just about every Head of State, multiple times. She used to the US Secretary of State, don't ya know.




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Thu 1 Sep 16 #261 
sally906
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I do agree that Mexico shouldn't have to pay for a wall - it's Trumps wall - let him build it. 




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Thu 1 Sep 16 #262 
Helen McKenzie
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I dont know why he wants a wall to start with. Is he trying to make it like Germany was but between countries instead? Its a wonder he doesnt want a wall around the whole of the USA so no-one can get in.




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Thu 1 Sep 16 #263 
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Because he's an idiot.

The whole "wall" thing has been counter-manded by previous presidents for over 100 years.

But he thinks he knows better, regardless of back-up or fact.

Trump doesn't even realise he is challenging Teddy Roosevelt.

Not my political ideal, but still, he is challenging the policies of the most popular president in history.

I mean, Teddy beat George Washington in a poll.

Does Trump really know what he is doing?




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Thu 1 Sep 16 #264 
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"I do agree that Mexico shouldn't have to pay for a wall - it's Trumps wall - let him build it."

Mexico ain't gonna pay for shit.

That's not a big deal, that's just reality.

Trump is the only one who is delusional.




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Sat 3 Sep 16 #265 
jmaxg
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Just found out tonight......two things:

1. Trump is not paying his people.

2. Trump lied relative to his visit to Mexico.




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Sat 3 Sep 16 #266 
Helen McKenzie
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When has he ever told the truth




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Sat 3 Sep 16 #267 
jmaxg
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And the visit to Detroit and a baptist ministry is overblown and crap.

He might talk for 5 minutes with a church congregation and then leave.

How that results in 1% turning to whatever % is beyond my understanding.




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Sat 3 Sep 16 #268 
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Just in case anyone thinks I am reveling in this, think again.

I LOVE my wife and she is feeling pain because of Trump.  She FEARS him and I understand why.

I UNDERSTAND her pain and point out that Trump will PROBABLY not be the next president based on everything I know and it's still not good enough.  Java fears the idiot anyway.

Ladies and gentlemen, THAT's the thing. I have been accurate of every presidential election I have taken on. And the points, ALL the points, point to a Hillary Clinton win by a landslide.

Yet Java quivers and is in tears because of one thought. That the idiot will win.

I do my best and ask that she gets past this. But she fears him so much.

All I can do is my thing and reinforce why he will NOT win.

If you wanna help, then PM Java and tell her that you agree and to stick with her hubby's thoughts and figures.

Make her feel stronger.

But she is so confused, convuluted and angry about her fellow voters. Perfectly understandable.

But Hillary will win. I assure her, I assure you, I assure everybody.

And I haven't been wrong yet.

Could I get one wrong? Sure! It's just that I am not going to be wrong this particular time.




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Sun 4 Sep 16 #269 
Helen McKenzie
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I think the whole world is quivering at the thought that Trump will get in




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Mon 5 Sep 16 #270 
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Yep - Java is not quivering alone - I would like to think that you are right jmaxg - but I know very intelligent people whose opinions I normally respect (except in this instance) can see no wrong in Trump and I fear them more than I do Trump.

My hope is that he doesn't get in - my fear is that he will!!!!




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Mon 5 Sep 16 #271 
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No chance in hell he wins the Presidency. This could be the biggest win margain since Reagan smoked Mondale. 

 

I'm really excited for the debates. The comedic factor will be better than anything in primetime for the last 2 years. 




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Tue 6 Sep 16 #272 
jmaxg
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Feeling the same way myself kb54.

Imagine what will happen if Madam Secretary gets under his skin during the debates and he explodes!

Oh, yes please! It would be the best television since TV started without a doubt!




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Tue 6 Sep 16 #273 
jmaxg
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But more importantly, I....we....didn't know you were among us.

Yes killerb54, you are that important.

Keep commenting.




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Thu 15 Sep 16 #274 
jmaxg
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14 September 2016

The Donaldo is in hot water!

The new Newsweek front page article on him may be devastating.

The article points out that he has his fingers in so many pies, commercially speaking, that it would be hard for him to declare that he would act entirely in the United States national or security interests.

I read the article......it's pretty damning.

But the point is, do voters pay attention.




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Thu 15 Sep 16 #275 
Helen McKenzie
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If Madam secretary got under his skin......he would say.......YOUR FIRED




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Thu 15 Sep 16 #276 
jmaxg
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If normal people got under his skin.....they would say.....you're weird and no, I don't wanna vote for you.




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Thu 15 Sep 16 #277 
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The "ninefivethirty.com" website says the poll race is tightening. Of course it is. We are getting closer to the election. Well "D'UHH".

But debates haven't happened yet. 26 September 2016 (the first debate) is fast approaching.

Doanald is aready trying to get out of it by suggesting no moderators.

Donald? What's your problem? Somebody better than Matt Lauer? Oh right, that's not hard.




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Thu 15 Sep 16 #278 
jmaxg
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But that Newsweek article is pretty, shall we say, WTF as far as normal voters are concerned.




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Thu 15 Sep 16 #279 
Helen McKenzie
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When is election day




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Thu 15 Sep 16 #280 
Ruby Franks (online)
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Always 2nd Tuesday of November, not sure what date it will off top of my head. Not sure whether I will be spending that night/early morning in bed with pillow over my head or being avidly awake and watching screens....




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Sat 17 Sep 16 #281 
jmaxg
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Donald Trump finally repudiated his "birther" stance today.

("birther" - someone who believes or espouses that Barack Obama was born outside of the United States and therefore is NOT a legitimate appointee under Article Two, Section 1, Clause 5, "Qualifications for Office" of the United States Constitution)

Trump maintained that belief for so many years that President Barack Obama was not a legitimate president in order to maintain a connection with the ultra-right (now known as Alt-Right) wing of the Rebublican Party and any other "crazies" out there. A purely racist and intentional stance by him and him alone.

Today, he just said a 27 second statement repudiating it and then spent the rest of the press conference selling his new Washington D.C. hotel.

The American press is currently in uproar over it.




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Sun 25 Sep 16 #282 
jmaxg
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Dit, dit, d-dit, d-d-dit, dit, dit, dit, d-dit......etc, you know who it goes......

Attention ladies and gentlemen and all the ships at sea......FLASH!

With the first presidential debate happening on Monday, 26 September 2016, featuring the first same stage appearance between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, in what might be his lowest act, even for him, Mr. Trump has invited Gennifer Flowers to the debate and she has accepted....

This sly and sexist stunt is in reponse to Hillary Clinton inviting Mark Cuban - a Texas self made billionaire, Clinton supporter and vehement Trump hater - to the debate herself.

I have no idea what's going to happen, but the description "Epic TV" just got accelerated to "Ludicrous Speed". I wonder if ambulances are being called to NBC (the hosting network) executive apartments as we speak. Anticipated 100 million viewers? Yeah, now double that. I wonder how Comcast's share price is doing.

But the truth is, this stunt is so low, it is beneath contempt.

Well done Ms. Flowers.....for backing up the blonde stereotype and kicking gender equality in the teeth.

When Secretary Clinton refers to the "deplorables", we all now know who she is referring to.




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Sun 25 Sep 16 #283 
Ruby Franks (online)
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I thought the debates were about the future of the USA, it seems like they're some kind of Z list celebrity gossip sideshow. Its depressing. Is that how American voters want their country to be perceived?




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Sun 25 Sep 16 #284 
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No Ruby Franks, they don't.

This is Donald Trump's and the United States Press's doing.

"for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."

(Epistle to the Galatians, 6.7 - and I have no idea if that biblical reference means anything whatsoever)

See what I did there? No?




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Sun 25 Sep 16 #285 
jmaxg
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Ok...."whatsoever" is not a word. It's a made up thing.

Just like "notwithstanding" and other terrible contractions.

Not trying to hit King James over the head, I am just stating what is and always has been.




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Sun 25 Sep 16 #286 
jmaxg
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I know I use them myself. I am just pointing out that which is for entirely for flippant reasons.

Nyaahhhh.

:-D




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Sun 25 Sep 16 #287 
Helen McKenzie
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Words like that sound intelligent lol




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Sun 25 Sep 16 #288 
jmaxg
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Oh crap......someone noticed!




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Sun 25 Sep 16 #289 
Helen McKenzie
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yeah sorry bout blowing your cover




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Sun 25 Sep 16 #290 
jmaxg
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When you do it, I actually do give a crap.

Ms McKenzie is not just a pretty face.




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Sun 25 Sep 16 #291 
jmaxg
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I actually love our new generation of members.

They poke and they prod, they ask and not neccesarily accept the answer.

They are Factacular 1.0 as it moves to 2.0 and maybe 3.0 and beyond. I am so impressed!

Anyway, 26 September 2016 at 8:00pm (eastern time).......THE Clash of the Titans......NBC (American network).

Are you up to the challenge, oh great Donaldo despite that awful stunt? Let us see, shall we?




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Sun 25 Sep 16 #292 
Ruby Franks (online)
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I wouldn't describe one of the participants in the debates as a 'Titan'.




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Sun 25 Sep 16 #293 
jmaxg
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True enough. But I am guessing he thinks he is.




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Mon 26 Sep 16 #294 
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I understand Flowers is now not coming - unfortunately Trump is - Clinton has to pull something out of her backside to boost hereslf in the ratings.  I understand it is now neck and neck.  Or maybe we'll be lucky and he'll do a rant and let people see what he is.  Trouble is he seems to have been reeled in a little.

There is no way this is a forgone conclusion.




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Mon 26 Sep 16 #295 
Ruby Franks (online)
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Its depressing at the moment, worse than depressing, when contemplating possible outcomes.

Its depressing that any political system and party machine have enabled Mr Trump to get this far and even more depressing that patently there are millions of people who for some reason might possibly vote for him. If you'd told me a few years ago that the current situation was going to happen  I would have laughed and praised your idea for a dystopian black comedy script.




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Tue 27 Sep 16 #296 
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Oh holy hell that was great. Where to start? Which outright lie to begin talking about, from which side? 

Fact checkers are still running on Red Bull while cranking out corrections deep in the night. 




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Tue 27 Sep 16 #297 
Ruby Franks (online)
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Just been reading about it and will switch on TV once husband wakes from post-birthday celebration stupour. Sounds as if it was quite a spectacle.




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Thu 29 Sep 16 #298 
jmaxg
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An AMAZING debate!

Not for content which was lacking on both sides but for reasons based on dynamics and time allowed.

But the drama was overpowering.

I felt that Madam Secretary kept it under control for the most part and that Trump seemed to get a LOT unhinged. His interruptions never seemed to stop.

And that sniffing! It wasn't until the following day when I discussed it with someone real close and she gave me a wink and a nod that I thought "OMG!!! Really???". Well, it does make sense. No booze, no nicotine, but maybe something else. I mean, Trump WAS doing business in the 80s and 90s afterall.

If it was that, it would probably be a first.




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Sat 1 Oct 16 #299 
jmaxg
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Trump's twitter tirade of 30 September 2016 starting at 3:15am (his time)....

Admittedly, Java would prefer me to be ensconced in the duvier at that time even though sometimes I am not.

But feverishly attacking a smart phone on Twitter at 3:15am?

Dude! Get a life!




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Sat 1 Oct 16 #300 
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Ha. This guy is in a complete meltdown. Before Halloween he will be completely flamed out, and the election will be Hilary Clinton vs. Gary Johnson. 




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Sat 1 Oct 16 #301 
jmaxg
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But.....but.....Gary Johnson is weird.

He advocates living on other planets and yet showed a reporter how he bites his tongue. I mean he literally bit his tongue! Stephen Colbert made a thing about it!

Can't we just have a person in the White House who knows what they are doing?




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Sat 1 Oct 16 #302 
killerb54
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Yeah, Gary suffers from a lack of charisma. He tries to be eccentric and zany at times and it shows thin and disingenous, or just kooky. If he could just talk normally and put his platform out there against the two morons, he'd make a lot more headway. 

At this point, I just want him to get the party to the threshold where they will get public funding for the next election, where they will learn from their mistakes and put Weld at the top of the ticket. He could get it done. 




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Sat 1 Oct 16 #303 
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Relative to the whole "living on another planet" thing......

The only planet we know of, Mars, that might be "terraformed" cannot be "terraformed". We've known this for ages.

Mars does not have a spinning, ferrous core like Earth does. That's what creates the magnetic sheild that protects us from rays from outer space or the sun. Plus Mars is too far away from the sun for water to be liquid on the surface.




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Sat 1 Oct 16 #304 
jmaxg
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That's not being weird, that's just science.




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Sat 1 Oct 16 #305 
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Human beings aren't living on another planet anytime in the next hundred years, at least. The best they can hope for is a temporary way station for study, like in The Martian. We don't even have the technology to get to Mars yet, much less enough data to begin building communities and agriculture, etc. It would take decades of study and exploartory settlements before they could even start planning for terraform. 

It's a ridiculous notion. How bout we just make our current planet better, so nobody has to leave?




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Sat 1 Oct 16 #306 
killerb54
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On top of the scientific aspect, can you imagine all of the red tape, oversight committees, referendums, and political tie-ups that would go into such a venture? 




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Sat 1 Oct 16 #307 
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Just in case it needs to be spelled out why we exist, this is it:

  1. The earth is situated one AU (or Astronomical Unit or roughly 93,000,000 miles) away from the Sun in what is known as the "Goldilocks" zone - close enough for warmth and liquid water.
  2. Earth has developed a ferrous or iron core. Because of that, and the fact that it spins, means a magnetic field is created which protects us from harmful cosmic rays.
  3. Jupiter is our next best friend. She attracts bodies to her and in turn, they don't hit us. If Jupiter didn't exist, Earth would be a pulverised mess or would not even exist.
  4. We live in a outer arm of the Milky Way. If we lived closer to the centre, we would be lucky if bacteria appeared. Anything closer still? We would be subject to cataclysmic forces.
  5. We live in a corner of the universe that is not subject to Gamma Ray Bursts. If we were subject to a gamma ray burst, even if just outside our own galaxy? Our Earth would be fried by radioactive forces immediately and ALL life would be extinguished within weeks, if not instantly.

We exist because we are in this place in the universe and nowhere else. Whether or not you wish to attribute that to a higher force, fine, do what you have to.

On the other hand, it could be because of a series of things that happened in order and we are the result.




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Sat 1 Oct 16 #308 
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We landed a moving satellite on a fricking comet today and took pictures that were sent back to Earth. Today, in 2016 we know what the surface of a comet looks like in HD, and we have the possibilty of a twit like Donald Trump being our president. 

Does that make sense to anyone else? I feel like I'm being gaslighted here.

The photo in question https://i.redd.it/z4cd41s4foox.jpg




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Sat 1 Oct 16 #309 
jmaxg
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Or this....

Hello Comet!

This does make sense to me mate. I think it shows we are getting awesomer and awesomer.

Yes viewers, that is a comet's surface.




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Sat 1 Oct 16 #310 
jmaxg
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Reddit is rather cool, don't ya think?




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Sat 1 Oct 16 #311 
killerb54
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I'm a big fan, yeah. Easily my #1 visited website. 




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Sat 1 Oct 16 #312 
jmaxg
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Actually, we didn't land a satellite today. We actually landed it yonks ago but it didn't land but it bounced......and bounced.....and bounced.....etc.

Then it landed and nothing happened.

THEN, coupla weeks ago, the trailing satellite got a signal from the crash-landed satellite. The result is what you see in the above "Hello Comet!" post.

We are getting better at this......definitely.




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Sat 1 Oct 16 #313 
killerb54
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Right. I thought I had heard a while back about an attempted satellite landing on a comet. Thought this one was different. Still, very cool. The thought of what we could witness in the future as technology and science improves is just awesome. Unless, of course, a twit is elected President and ruins it all. 




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Sat 1 Oct 16 #314 
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We shall see. The Trump is getting beat up at the moment and his 3:15am tweets didn't help.

(surely that is what over-confident coke heads do in the middle of the night - right?)

Hillary is quite rightly just sitting and watching.......as I would.

But the polls are quite obviously showing a difference. And there are two more debates to come.




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Sat 1 Oct 16 #315 
jmaxg
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Ooh! It's 3:16am.........waiting for that next tweet.




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Sat 1 Oct 16 #316 
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Reapeated from above and adding a point below.....

Just in case it needs to be spelled out why we exist, this is it:

  1. The earth is situated one AU (or Astronomical Unit or roughly 93,000,000 miles) away from the Sun in what is known as the "Goldilocks" zone - close enough for warmth and liquid water.
  2. Earth has developed a ferrous or iron core. Because of that, and the fact that it spins, means a magnetic field is created which protects us from harmful cosmic rays.
  3. Jupiter is our next best friend. She attracts asteroid bodies to her and in turn, they don't hit us. If Jupiter didn't exist, Earth would be a pulverised mess or would not even exist.
  4. We live in a outer arm of the Milky Way. If we lived closer to the centre, we would be lucky if bacteria appeared. Anything closer still? We would be subject to cataclysmic forces.
  5. We live in a corner of the universe that is not subject to Gamma Ray Bursts. If we were subject to a gamma ray burst, even if just outside our own galaxy? Our Earth would be fried by radioactive forces immediately and ALL life would be extinguished within weeks, if not instantly.

We exist because we are in this place in the universe and nowhere else. Whether or not you wish to attribute that to a higher force, fine, do what you have to.

On the other hand, it could be because of a series of things that happened in order and we are the result.

The Major Point being......

The reason we exist is because we live at the zenith of a lot of other things happening resulting in nature allowing us to exist. These things happened in order and were complimented by other things, BUT the story is as at this time, we do exist.

The reason for that is that we live in an area of the universe that allows us to exist. It's not that we erupted from somewhere. It happened because all of the cogs clicked in place and it happened just for us. Was that nature? Yes.

That's the part I love most of all. We are the sum result of various cogs falling into place. Not random, but a result of cohesion and law. Not as a result of a higher power, but simple physical and chemical reactions.

Those same sciences enable us to look at night sky and put it into some sense, or produce rocket engines, or make wires that funnel electrons.

Nature does all that. Science tries to explain it and manipulate it.

As for religion, do what you want. But remember where this fabulous world came from and stop applying points that contradict the amazing world you live in......and the scientists and engineers that explain it for YOUR benefit.




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Tue 4 Oct 16 #317 
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Anyway, enough of that, back to politics.....

Trump is now known for declaring the loss of almost a billion dollars in one tax return relative to one year.

The fact that he got almost 18 years of tax free life because of it is actually good tax sense.

BUT the 916 million dollars loss in ONE year isn't.

Regardless of your tax breaks, Mr. Trump, explain what would happen to a normal tax payer if they didn't pay tax for 18 years.

I think their tax bill would be close to $US 100,000.




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Thu 6 Oct 16 #318 
jmaxg
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The Vice Presidential Debate:

Hillary Clinton running mate Tim Caine actually interrupted more than Donald Trump's running mate Mike Pence. But for a reason as was illustrated later.

All in all, it was thought that Mike Pence won the debate.

But watch the response from the Hillary Clinton campaign office less than 12 hours after the debate:

Salon.com article - scroll down for HRC campaign video

I am impressed.




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Thu 6 Oct 16 #319 
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Kaine gave up the win so they could get that good material. I really like how the Clinton campaign is playing this, letting them hang themselves with their own BS. The interruptions were for a couple different reasons: to keep Pence on his heels defending Trump, and to fluster him so he could slip up at some point which worked right at the end. 

Pence won a Pyrric victory for this election here, but most people think he was really setting himself up for 2020 last night anyways.




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Sat 8 Oct 16 #320 
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OCTOBER BOMBSHELL

Two of them actually.....

1.  WEF this Friday afternoon (7 October 2016), a tape was released regarding a coversation between NBC's "Access Hollywood" personnel and Donald Trump in 2005 whereupon he describes in lewd terms how he singles out and approaches women relative to sexual conquest - 8 months after he had married Melania Trump. Here is the CNN article link. Be warned....the dialog is graphic.

2.  Donald Trump maintained in an interview this week with CNN that the "Central Park Five" are guilty despite their convictions being overturned due to DNA evidence declaring they were not connected to the crime scene.

(CNN article link)

Trump:  "They admitted they were guilty, the police doing the original investigation say they were guilty. The fact that that case was settled with so much evidence against them is outrageous. And the woman, so badly injured, will never be the same." - recent 2016 interview.

Trump's comments are significant in that it was shown via various investigations that the "Central Park Five" were coerced and bullied into confessions against each other by the New York City Police Department resulting in convictions that were later overturned resulting in a 40 million dollar settlement paid for by the City of New York.




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Sat 8 Oct 16 #321 
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The thing that gets me is there are still idiots out there that think that Donald Trump is still fit to be President of the United States. THAT is what Hillary Clinton's "basket of deplorables" was all about. The guy is sexist, racist, undiplomatic and seriously lacking in relevant information. Yet those "deplorables" don't care......they will back him regardless.

Well, there is a sh&%load of swing voters and demographics out there and they are watching right now......hispanics, blacks, asian, suburban white females.....

And Trump managed to lose most of them in one day. Imagine the havoc if he became President!

Sunday's debate is looking really interesting......I wonder if Donald is going to show up!

 




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Sat 8 Oct 16 #322 
Helen McKenzie
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Probably will show up with that stupid grin he has on his face all the time, complete with smart arse comments. Im glad i dont have to choose between them both but i know who i would if i were in the US.




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Sat 8 Oct 16 #323 
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As a permanent resident of the United States, I feel sometimes powerless in all of the "show" that is the presidential election campaign.

The only thing I have going for me is that Java and myself are politically aligned. Her vote is my vote and we got that squared away quite early.

Back in 2008, we both decided to go for Hillary Clinton and quite proudly so. We felt that, even if it was time for a black president, a female president meant just as much......actually more.

As it turned out, it was Barack Obama's time.

Well now it's Hillary Clinton's time.

The "email" thing is just smoke and men trying to stop a woman. AS a man I have already worked that out.

To be alive in this time is exhilirating.....very special.....I hope everyone else sees that.

But did this campaign take it's toll on us? Yes.....it did.....this has been a rough year for Java and jmaxg.

But we are staying together. And we are going to see in the new dawn.




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Sat 8 Oct 16 #324 
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This campaign has showed the world just how racist, misogynist and generally bigoted many Americans are. At the beginning of this campaign I didn't see how anyone could possibly think Trump was a suitable person to be president. Seems I was over-estimating the critical thinking skills of a lot of Americans.




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Sat 8 Oct 16 #325 
Ruby Franks (online)
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Mr Trump's audio hit the headlines here this morning.

I don't think it will make much difference to Trump fans, but I hope it makes a difference to the Republicans who were going to vote for him with reluctance. It may not mean that they will vote Democrat, but perhaps they will abstain. Abstention may not be any solution, as low voter turnout leads to the feeling that the successful candidate doesn't have a mandate.

Interesting times for psephologists, but scary for everyone else.




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Sat 8 Oct 16 #326 
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Not just Americans.  I'm shocked at how many people I know, perfectly nice intelligent people who hold skilled jobs, respect the law, contribute to society etc, etc, who are prepared to throw rationality out the window in order to indulge a whole slew of fear-inpspired prejudices.
That, paired with a record number of people in the world who lack the strength of their convictions, has lead to what we are seeing on the political stage at the moment. Hardliners and extremists abound.   They peddle their regressive dogma and, as long as they do it with confidence and gusto, they will find plenty of converts.  It's beyond depressing!




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Tue 11 Oct 16 #327 
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*jmax immediately Googles along with three or four others.....

Psephologists -  those that study and scientifically analyse....blah, blah, blah....elections....blah, blah, blah........ok, got it. I must admit that I have never heard that word before so ya learn something everyday.

I, myself like studying elections in the "before and after" context using polls and demographics. But I don't know if I could come up with the algorithms that sites like fivethirtyeight.com come up with.

Although I have done similar stuff in a commercial context and it worked so maybe I am a "pseudo-psephologist" in my own mind....LOL. It's amazing what some clever code can do.

Chooky? You summarised the whole US election. It's been scary for us here and very discomforting.

But with less than a month left before November 8th, the general consensus here is that Trump has, in the Australian vernacular, "done his dash" and blown it royally.

Now a lot still depends on who turns up on the day to vote. That, in itself, is a complicated question involving demographics and attempted voter suppression in some states. But at least gerrymanders do not apply with respect to presidential voting. That applies to US Congress voting specifically - senators and representatives.

Assuming that polling is effective, at this stage, Hillary Clinton could be looking at a landslide victory and as many as 350 to 370 electoral college votes (out of a maximum of 538) and a big chunk of the popular vote.

She only needs 270 electoral college votes to secure the presidency.




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Tue 11 Oct 16 #328 
jmaxg
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As for the debate on Sunday (9 October 2016), it didn't go well for Trump again.

He didn't answer questions, deflected, sniffed a lot (not sayin' nuffin - could've been another cold) and it looked like he was stalking Hillary around the stage.

He didn't apologise for his "locker room talk" (his words) and inferred that Secretary Clinton was "the devil" and promised to have her locked up in jail if elected by directing his Attorney General to do so.

President Nixon, during the Watergate period, directed his AG to do the same and he refused and then resigned rather than smear the office of the Attorney General of the United States.

To borrow from a recent US advertising campaign, "That's not how this works! That's not how any of this works!".

Will at least ONE of his advisors please tell him that??




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Tue 11 Oct 16 #329 
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QUESTION - Should I do it again

In 2008 and 2012, because I regarded those elections as historic, I prepared a "real-time" electoral college count as it happened and to the point where Factacular members knew who was going to be President of the United States on the night and up to date.

Now, it is admitted that anyone, on the night, could gather up this information anyway.

But both of my previous electoral college real time counts resulted in copious comments and excited reactions. I am sure JMK is not ashamed to declare that she was part of election 2008 and we and her gmail-chatted in real time as it happened.

Now.....if you want that to happen again, then I am proud to do it.

We are looking at the probability of the first woman to be elected to the most powerful office on the face of our planet and by default, becoming the most powerful political appointment in the world.

After 100,000 years of denial, this IS a special occasion.

So, should I do it again?

Ladies and gentlemen, let me know.




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Tue 11 Oct 16 #330 
jmaxg
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Why did I call it at 100,000 years?

Around that time (some say above, some below), earliest man started to show some signs of civility in the form of ritualised burial.

I thought it was fair to call it at some point even though women were most definitely abused prior to that point.

And we definitely know they were abused after that point.




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Tue 11 Oct 16 #331 
Ruby Franks (online)
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I didn't mean to be a bit of a chief about 'psephologists' although not an everyday word in the UK its used a fair bit in the media here at election times.

'Chief' may or may not be in on-line dictionaries, but its one of my favourite bits of rhyming slang - derived from 'handkerchief'.

I never thought I'd be agreeing with Paul Ryan, but he is emphasising that despite there being a couple of candidates he can't support, other elections must not be ignored.




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Tue 11 Oct 16 #332 
Ruby Franks (online)
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I meant to say, that if you're able do the election night thing, yes please.

 I think I've said before that I could be up all night watching the media or could be hiding in fear in my bed, but it would be great to have other voices besides the pundits, pollsters and .....psephologists.




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Tue 11 Oct 16 #333 
killerb54
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You won't have to be up all night, Hilary is going to win in a landslide that rivals '84. Will be in the bag by 7-8 pm. 

If you wanted to stay up for the comedic value, that's a whole different issue. Fox News, and all of the alt-right websites will be overflowing with salty tears and venom. The RNC is going to be in a civil war over this farce, ruining their party for years and possibly a generation. 




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Tue 11 Oct 16 #334 
killerb54
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Truth be told, we need it to be a rout in order to save a little face in the rest of the world. This campaign has been a global embarassment the likes of which have never been seen for this country. We need to come out and show them that we are not ready to hand power over to an unhinged megalomaniac potential dictator. We need the end total of electorates to be as close to unanimous for Clinton in order to stop any other potential moron in the future of testing his chances as well. 




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Tue 11 Oct 16 #335 
jmaxg
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In both the previous occasions, Barack Obama achieved 270 electoral college votes prior to midnight, Michigan time. So not all that late a night, but it does depend on what celebrating happens after that point. ;-)

Killer, as much as I want it to happen, I don't think the vote is going to be unanimous. But at least those electorates that vote for Trump will be well known for a period of time and if that means potential vacationers will be checking electoral maps and 2016 results before preparing travel routes/vacation plans, then so be it.

I can see some wags travelling about the United States and posting signs at the physical outer border of some electorates saying "Be Warned - They Voted For Trump Here - BTW the KKK Says Welcome!".

Not us however. Java and I don't have the budget for it and we have no wish to run into sherriffs and deputies straight out of "Mississippi Burning" (1988).




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Tue 11 Oct 16 #336 
jmaxg
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Ruby, nobody thinks any the worser of you for introducing psephologist into our lexicon. Just because we have never heard of the word before doesn't mean it's not valid.

(I am speaking, of course, of my own experience. I am shocked that there is actually a word for idiots like me)

Factacularians are expected to update each other relative to facts and trivia like that from time to time.

I've made a note of it. I hope others did too.




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Tue 11 Oct 16 #337 
Ruby Franks (online)
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Killer, even if its over by 7 or 8pm in eastern states that's still 12midnight/1 am for me and although I'm not usually early to bed, like jmaxg I think that's its not going to be as clear cut as you do (I love your optimism and its greatly cheered me).  I know once hooked to the TV reporting I'll be awake all night. I'll just have to make sure that the next day is a day of rest. Or celebration. Or contemplating cutting my wrists.

I've been with my  parents today, Mum is 86 and sharp as whatever. Her take on the Trump tapes was something like this 'Locker room talk? Most men, and we women chat about who we'd like to sleep with, but there aren't so many who plan how to assault and denigrate people just because they've got money to do it.' Bless her, she was very cheering as well. Dad who is 88 and has mild dementia and has always been a pessimist, just said 'I don't understand how a great country could have got in to this state.' Cheering, also, because it means he's still got a grip on some things.




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Tue 11 Oct 16 #338 
Ruby Franks (online)
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Factacularians? Is that a neoligism?




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Tue 11 Oct 16 #339 
Ruby Franks (online)
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Yay! Vocabulary wars.

Even if he were President, it's something Mr Trump wouldn't be able to do.




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Tue 11 Oct 16 #340 
jmaxg
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Give my regards to your parents Ruby.

And yes, I will be proud to post the electoral college count again in real time for the benifit of Factacularians as I did in 2008 and 2012.

Excel? Don't fail me now!

;-)




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Tue 11 Oct 16 #341 
jmaxg
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Is "factacularians" a word? Naahhhhh.....we just made it up. It works well though, don't ya think?

*Googling "neogilism".....oh, ok, you mean "neogolism".

As in a newly coined word or expression.

I didn't know that either. Screw you Webster's!!




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Tue 11 Oct 16 #342 
killerb54
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Yeah there's no chance of the final count being unanimous, but we need the victory to be as large as possible. I'm hoping the Cheeto gets less than 100 electoral votes. Stomp this out before it becomes normality.


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Tue 11 Oct 16 #343 
jmaxg
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We all hope Killer for exactly the same reason.




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Wed 12 Oct 16 #344 
Ruby Franks (online)
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Typos: its no good showing off if you can't spell, Ruby.

Early voting? Is it strange to anyone else, that from this week US voters can vote and the rules seem quite relaxed. We have postal votes and proxy votes here, but I believe there's a much smaller time within which those votes can be cast.  I've voted postally and by proxy quite a few times because of working outside of the UK in the past and prefer proxy because I could possibly change my mind right up to polling day. What happens to early votes should a candidate no longer be standing?




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Thu 13 Oct 16 #345 
jmaxg
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Actually Ruby, they are not relaxed and are, in fact, all over the place.....50 states, 50 different sets of voting laws.

The United States Federal Election Commission (FEC) has only limited power over states. It is the states themselves that set laws relative to voting in any sense......and it's the job of courts, after initial action and appeal, to work out if those laws are constitutional or not. Some state based courts say their laws are fine. Then a higher court steps in and decrees they are not. Sometimes the Supreme Court steps in, but mostly they do not.

Early voting due to reasons of absenteeism, postal votes, and other methods are usually the way it goes. But every state in the US is different. And yes, in some states, that has to do with what demographic you belong to.

Florida is a perfect example. The Governor refused to extend voter registration due to Hurricane Matthew knowing that it would impact lower income demographics and thus help out the Republican Party. But his order was overridden by a higher court decision immediately (within one day) and so voter registration continues in Florida.

Never underestimate the lengths that states go to in order to deny the vote to certain sections of the community.




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Thu 13 Oct 16 #346 
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Does anyone else see the irony in the fact that it's "locker-room talk" of decades ago - abhorant and unacceptable as it is - that might be what finally turns the tide and not the plethora of ill-informed, acrimonious, devisive, regressive, demagogic ideas and opinions that have littered his campaign. Not to mention the baffling word salad that makes it virtually impossible to believe he has a cogent understanding of what being the president of a country would entail.  Or the abusive comments, nasty innuendoes and not so veiled threats of now?
I don't get it.

 




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Thu 13 Oct 16 #347 
JMK
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I don't get any of it. I don't see how any rational person can contemplate him as president for more than a nano-second.




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Sat 15 Oct 16 #348 
jmaxg
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This is the "basket of deplorables" that Hillary Clinton was referring to.

The "inner core" of Trump supporters that are so devoted, they are willing to overlook anything he does, anything he says and anything he stands for. And by that, I mean anything he says or does is fine by them, whether it makes sense or not.

This "inner core" is basically a bunch of ultra-right-wing nutjobs consisting of bigots, racists, conspiracy theorists, sovereign citizens and old newspaper collectors. The rest are just uninformed and disgruntled republican voters going along for the ride.

Now I want to, at this point, have a go at the American media. They seem to think that Hillary Clinton is partly at fault for this historically terrible election cycle. I could not disagree more.

I think Hillary Clinton has behaved and acted incredibly graciously and controlled given all that is happening around her. She seems cool, calm and collected despite the dangerous rantings of the demagogue in opposition.

I just wish the press would give her more credit for that.




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Wed 19 Oct 16 #349 
jmaxg
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The American Election System is Rigged!

Donald Trump's latest......."dead people are still registered voters!"

Well, of course they are! People sign up, then they die, and they are still signed up. It's not as if, at that point, they can undo it! In fact, unregistering someone from a voter roll is theoretically harder that unregistering from Facebook! As a corpse, I imagine that it is doubly so.

Although Donald, if dead people actually show up to vote? Then you have a case. And a great movie in the making.

Why am I reminded of "The Simpsons" episode when Sideshow Bob ran for Mayor of Springfield and Lisa found that all the voters were from the Springfield cemetery?




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Thu 20 Oct 16 #350 
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So, for argument's sake, we are not considering the Bible to be a "historical document"? Most of it was wrttien around 150-200 A.D.




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Thu 20 Oct 16 #351 
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After seeing the latest debate - and reading that Trump is actually sliding in the polls in some of the reddest of the redneck states - I am finally beginning to feel a little hope that sanity will prevail.  And the fervant hope that next time the Republicans pick a leader they go for one that is more or less sane?  Because the Republican supporters deserve nothing less.




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Sat 22 Oct 16 #352 
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sally? Honey? Your cousin could simply reside on a cushion surrounded by Trump paraphenalia and throw darts at it and do nothing else and still be elected the next president of the United States!

We are all so bloody proud for you. And yes, your cousin will be the next President of the United States and the next leader of the Free World and the first female to be both in history as well as being the first female in either sense. This is history being made that spans 100,000 years!

To be a little wonky and shaky about this is understandable. It's an emotional, as well as an important milestone.

We ALL had mums and we remember that they largely ran our life.

But ultimately, this will be about a small 12 year old girl (Hillary's mother) who had no family and lived on the charity of others.......and who at one time was given some money so she could go to the corner diner and eat.

Somehow, she figured out how to survive and give birth to our next president.

 




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Sat 22 Oct 16 #353 
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Although the POTUS has historically been known as the Leader of the Free World I am not sure they deserve that title any more. And the thought of Trump being considered Leader of the Free World is just horiffying. Luckily some (but amazingly a lot less than you would expect) Americans are beginning to come to their senses and seeing Trump as many of us have seen him all along and he is beginning to drop in the ratings. That he is still as high as he is despite everything is beyond belief.




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Sat 22 Oct 16 #354 
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Well, actually, to be the President of the United States DOES mean to be the Leader of the Free World.

It means to be the most powerful head of NATO and to be the controller of the US Ambassador to the United Nations Security Council.

As well as that, the United States conducts and is involved with security missions all over the planet at the behest of several countries.

You can appreciate that anyway you like. But practically, it is what it is.




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Sat 22 Oct 16 #355 
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But emotionally? This is about a 12 year old girl - Hillary's mother.

That little girl that was cast out of homes and left to fend for herself. She literally had to accept donations to live because she was a housemaid to some and not all.

At 13 years old, she had to make her own way. Think about that.

A story that would reduce most to tears. But she figured out a way.

That lady gave birth to the first female President of the United States and the first Female Leader of the Free World.

I think it's time. I am in tears.




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Sat 22 Oct 16 #356 
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As for the third debate?

The donald kept it together for about 25 minutes with some startlingly good responses. Then he lost it. Like, BIG time.

Apparently Hillary is not just a lady, but she is a "nasty lady" to quote Trump in the third debate.

The Twitter response has been creative to say the least.

#nastylady




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Tue 25 Oct 16 #357 
jmaxg
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16 days to go.

Is anyone else getting excited?

"Madam President" is about to become a term of reference.

And "Trump" is about to be put into the place he deserves to be in.....whatever that is.




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Tue 25 Oct 16 #358 
chooky
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Java & I are getting together to celebrate when all this is over. She is bringing champagne & cannolis. I'm bringing party hats, sparklers, poppers, plenty of "You're Fired!" signs and a huuuuuge sigh relief.




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Tue 25 Oct 16 #359 
chooky
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Actually, I've just decided - the signs wont say "You're Fired!"

They'll say "Your're Fi......Oh, that's right, you NEVER EVEN GOT THE JOB"




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Tue 25 Oct 16 #360 
jmaxg
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I'll be the drunk guy in the back of the room doing all the drunken "Celebration" (1980 - Kool and the Gang) dance moves.

Either that or Earth Wind and Fire's "Star" (1979).

Or Mark Ronson's "Uptown Funk" featuring Bruno Mars (2014).

Or Carly Simon's "Let The Rivers Run" (1989).

Or Aretha Frankin's "RESPECT" (1967).

Or No Doubt's "Just a Girl" (2003).

(love the opening lyric - "Take this big ribbon off my eyes. I'm exposed and it's no big surprise. Don't you think I know exactly where I stand. This world is forcin' me to hold your hand.")




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Wed 26 Oct 16 #361 
Ruby Franks (online)
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This forum is an interesting small piece of popular history; jmaxg started it with saying that Mr Trump would get nowhere. He wasn't the only person who saw the Trump campaign as an insane sidebar.

I will be celebrating like the drink and drug-crazed old hippy that I am, at the defeat of Trump. 

 After this election there are many who will still feel disenfranchised, whether they voted (either way) or not. It is not only in the USA that the political class have to have a very close look at who they are serving and how they are serving them, and also as to whether the electorate have a clear comprehension of their political responsibilities.

My summary of what I've learned so far:

Mr Trump has killed satire because nothing can come close to his absurdity.

He has killed political discourse because he appears not to know many words. I have spent much of this summer chanting 'Bad, bad, bad  people, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful things' (or is it the other way round?) whenever he has been mentioned. Recently he learnt a new word, he said 'Bad hombres'.  Now he can speak in the language of the people who are going to pay for the wall that's going to keep them out. Why has he bothered? If they're going to be kept out he doesn't have to speak to them.

Finally, and in a moment of self-indulgence, here's some news from my family. My mum has always been a great writer of doggerel and player of word games (which she now tends to do with great-grandchildren rather than her pensioner children), so I emailed her some nonsense and she replied along the lines of 'Very nice sweetheart, but amongst all those rhymes you didn't use 'lump' and I really think 'chump' is too mild a word for that obnoxious bit of detritus Trump'

I will be stocking up on some kind of fizzy white wine.




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Thu 27 Oct 16 #362 
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Well, the thing is that IF Trump gained the Oval Office, it would mean the United States and therefore the world is in a spot of bother.

MSNBC's chief political editor Chuck Todd (the only guy I know who rocks a goatee better than me) said a few months ago what the chief danger of putting Trump in the White House is. Namely (paraphrasing):

"As the first pure businessman and CEO to possibly make it to the Oval Office, what is to stop him from applying executive power purely for the benefit of himself and his companies?"

That right there is what disqualifies Trump from public office, especially the most powerful one in the world. His lack of intelligence, vocabulary, diplomacy and ANY sense of empathy whatsoever are problems to be sure. But the possibilty of him using the Executive Branch to rig the system in advantage of his own selfish interests makes me sick to my stomach.

That is the exact opposite of what "public office" is all about.




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Thu 27 Oct 16 #363 
Helen McKenzie
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There is one thing i must disagree with in that statement jmaxg.......I have neither seen Chuck Todd or yourself with a goatee so i cant agree as to who rocks it better.




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Thu 27 Oct 16 #364 
jmaxg
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Well, this is Chuck Todd.....

That's a nice goatee. Well trimmed and not all over the place.

I try to keep my goatee similar to his although perhaps a tad thicker and a lot greyer.

But he keeps it squarish and that's what I try to do.




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Thu 27 Oct 16 #365 
Helen McKenzie
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Thanks for the clarification, i must say that is a nice goatee




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Thu 27 Oct 16 #366 
jmaxg
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Yeah, ol' Chuck is losing his hair and combing "page boy/ceasarian" (front on) these days. But his goatee still rocks.

My hair is thinning a tad. But at 57, I don't care. Even if I lost all the top, I'd just go lean and tidy on the sides......make it look like the old days as a recruit instructor, except shorter and meaner.

Look at Prince William for example.......he doesn't seem to give a toss.




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Thu 27 Oct 16 #367 
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Anyway, just over two weeks to go and I am looking forward to getting my "2016 Election Real Time - Electoral Vote Counter" ready for exclusive posting in Factacular.

Thoughts please on if you wish to see it in this forum or should I create another.

Both Factacular and myself will see when 270 electoral votes has been reached and the new President of the United States is decided at the same time.




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Thu 27 Oct 16 #368 
Ruby Franks (online)
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Its good when anybody doesn't appear to care about signs of aging or bodily changes (after all Prince W and many other men losing hair are not old).

57, what a baby you are!

And we here are, thinking about hair, on a forum that is devoted to discussing the man who has one of the strangest heads in history.




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Thu 27 Oct 16 #369 
jmaxg
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He's the first guy I have seen running for office that has hair that resembles an "orange whip" from "The Blues Brothers" (1980).

Detective Mercer (John Candy): "Who wants an orange whip? Orange whip? Orange whip? Three orange whips!"

The orange whip sequence - 15 seconds

The thing itself sounds delicious and I have never seen or consumed one. But Trump's hair always makes me think of that.




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Thu 27 Oct 16 #370 
jmaxg
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Just a re-post of that which has been already posted:

The Daily Show - Jon Oliver Report on Gun Control - Part 1

The Daily Show - Jon Oliver Report on Gun Control - Part 2

The Daily Show - Jon Oliver Report on Gun Control - Part 3

I am not saying Australia is better or worse. I am just saying there is a lesson here.

There are times when legislative stuff has to be done. There are times when legislative committees have to actually do something.

Why am I pointing this out? Just like gun control legislation, the US Senate has already stated that they will simply refuse to acknowledge Madam President's nominee to the Supreme Court - even if it was President Obama's nominee that they refused to process because, as they stated, it was too close to an election.

In other words, because he was a black guy, we tried to f*&k him up.

Now, because she is a woman, we are gonna try to f*&k her up.

This stuff is SO childish. You idiots could not legislate yourselves out of a brown paper bag.

It doesn't matter. I am not IN THE LEAST BIT worried. Madam President is better than this crap. Even if she has to, she will call upon every person in the United States to back her up and ya know what? We will comply.

It's obvious that the United States Senate is seeking some sort of constitutional crisis. Well fine......you do what you think you have to.

I personally think it's foolish and unconstitutional to undermine the Executive Branch and create a stupid fight, but hey! Knock yourselves out!

Given the feeling of most of America yet ANOTHER reason to rid themselves of a Republican majority.




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Sat 29 Oct 16 #371 
jmaxg
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Just a heads up about the latest squabble about the 11th day (before the election) and the FBI Director sending a message to various senate committees:

Vox Article - FBI Statement relative to Emails

This is unbelievable. It doesn't even pertain to the 33,000 emails that where in question that have already been analysed and cleared.

My take on this is if John Smith emailed Jane Smith, and they had a political discussion and the words "Hillary", "Clinton" and "Benghazi" were mentioned, the Director of the FBI would deem that email open to examination. NOT opening any previous investigation, mind you. Just "stuff".

10 days before the election and we have to put up with this crap.




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Sat 29 Oct 16 #372 
Helen McKenzie
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Why cant they just talk about policies and what they going to do for the country instead of running each other down and trying to get dirt on each other. My observations show that Hillary is more Presidential than Donald as she doesnt seem to try and dig as much dirt, she is just trying to run a successful campaign.




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Sat 29 Oct 16 #373 
jmaxg
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Current newly played up Hillary Clinton scandal:

http://www.vox.com/2016/10/28/13461516/hillary-clinton-fbi-emails-letter

I think it's idiotic but there ya go just for information.




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Sat 29 Oct 16 #374 
jmaxg
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Relative to the election, this must be assumed to have been intended as per the GOP.

Is the current Director of the FBI subject to manipulation? Apparently so.




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Sat 29 Oct 16 #375 
Helen McKenzie
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Do you think she can win?




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Sat 29 Oct 16 #376 
jmaxg
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Oh, sorry, didn't I point this out? Maybe that's why JMK has been biting my ass.

Hillary Clinton will be the 44th President of the United States of America.

That's a PROMISE. A promise is not actually a certainty but pretty close to it.

Can I guarantee a result? Of course I can't! I'm good, but not that good.

But if Nala from the "Lion King" pinned me down and demanded an answer (and she's a lioness)? Then yes, Hillary by almost a hundred electoral votes.




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Sat 29 Oct 16 #377 
Ruby Franks (online)
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One of the problems for many US voters seems to have been that they don't really want either candidate to win, and a third candidate (credible or not) is unable to win. One of the problems for any political campaign in any country is that the last things that are said or done before election day are remembered by the voters.

Variations on this are going the rounds here: The US electorate are an equal opportunities electorate, they've had their first black president, now they want their first criminally insane one.

On the train the other day I heard 'orange' and I'm sure there are far more being bandied about in the USA. Lets just hope in less than 2 weeks it'll be a serious statement and we'll be saying 'first female president'.




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Sat 29 Oct 16 #378 
jmaxg
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Part of this thing will be when people actually turn up. It's that dynamic which cannot be predicted.

I think that many democrat and swing voters have already got the message and can't stand the thought of the orange-ade gorilla.

But November 8th will tell the tale.




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Sat 29 Oct 16 #379 
jmaxg
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To answer Helen........yes.

It's not a question of "if". Just when.

Meaning November 8th.




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Sat 29 Oct 16 #380 
jmaxg
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If anyone asked me again, including sally906, I will answer the same.........."yes".

Look ladies, I don't know what to do......prepare your best party frocks? Thump me on the head for even stating that? Stand around me and feminist the crap outta me? I have no clue whatsoever.

All I know is Alan Alda was one of my heroes and he is a declared feminist and even if Alan didn't exist, I'd like to think I thought like him way anyway.

How do you deal with it on the evening of November 8th once Madam President has been declared? I have no idea. All I can do is smile and be off to one side.

Actually, none of us guys can respond to that.

But will some of us guys be literally and emotionally proud? Yes.......very deeply so.

But November 8th will be about the ladies.

Will Madam Secretary be the president we hope for?

I think so. Yes.




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Sat 29 Oct 16 #381 
chooky
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If anyone ever needs a good example of weasel words, James Comey's letter to congress is one for the ages.




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Mon 31 Oct 16 #382 
sally906
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I just think its crazy - they say they're investigating but haven't served the search warrant yet and haven't even read the contents.

This is criminal - Kick the FBI director out on his well paid arse - you don't reveal the results of an investigation before you've investigated.  I don't care if it's Hilly or Trump - this is not appropriate way of acting on alleged evidence.




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Mon 31 Oct 16 #383 
chooky
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You are so right Sally.  Imagine if that's how they conducted their investigations into someone on their Most Wanted list.




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Mon 31 Oct 16 #384 
Helen McKenzie
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According to the News feed over here in NZ, the FBI now have disturbing evidence against Trump, when will this end




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Tue 1 Nov 16 #385 
jmaxg
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About the James Comey 11th hour letter, according to law, I think he's stuffed it up.

He had a warrant that enabled a search of Wiener's (I am not laughing, at least I am trying hard not to) laptop.

Search warrant's have a strictly stated "scope". Coming across more than that scope, even if in connection with another issue, even though pertinent, may be declared non-admissable by a court for many varied reasons. At the time of investigating Weiner's laptop, the CLOSED case of HRC's emails was NOT stated in the warrant of investigation.

The fact that the FBI NOW have a warrant to investigate, AFTER the fact, could render whatever evidence they find as inadmissable evidence in any court.....all 653,000 emails or so it is said. NONE of which that are known to have ANY connection to HRC.

That's just the technicality according to the law. It's actually more serious than that.

The FBI Director, if it is ever shown that he has sent THAT letter after instruction by the Republican Party, may be contravening "The Hatch Act" of 1939. In which case, the Director of the FBI himself might be subject to criminal prosecution.




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Tue 1 Nov 16 #386 
jmaxg
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The INSTANT options relative to the 11th hour FBI  Director's letter are quite clear.

1.  Come up with the evidence to back up the reason for the letter. Or else....

2.  The President of the United States should request that the FBI Director (a presidential appointment) recuse himself from any further part in investigations relative to this late, and possibly illegal investigation.

3.  If not, the Attorney General of the United States, Loretta Lynch, should personally step in and demand the Director of the FBI step aside. She has the authority to do so.

4.  Or just fire his ass.




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Tue 1 Nov 16 #387 
jmaxg
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Will this dumb letter make a difference in the election?

According to my sources, no it will not.

Having said that, FiveThirtyEight.com's electoral forecast IS tightening.

Get it together folks.......nobody said this was gonna be easy.




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Tue 1 Nov 16 #388 
jmaxg
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jmaxg's opinion:

I think ON the actual day (8 November 2016), millions of people will go anti-trump at the last second.

That is not hard to understand as the guy is a total jerk.

Is that enough to sway the election? Well, I personally do not believe anything has to be "swayed". The numbers are already there. The demographics have been analysed and reanalysed and keep coming up with the same answer........Trump will lose badly.

But what about the Senate or the US House of Representatives?

Look....one thing at a time, ok? I am stressed enough as it is!




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Tue 1 Nov 16 #389 
jmaxg
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BUT.......but.......I am sticking to my pledge.

The "Real Time Electoral College Counter" as done before will be done again.

(pause)

I was just waiting for someone to call it unconstitutional even though I base it on the constitution.




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Tue 1 Nov 16 #390 
jmaxg
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The fact is, you hope SOMEONE steps up. But nobody every does.

I could claim that people should turn up to a car park, cook bratwurst, drink beer and be counted by overhead drones and they would believe that.

The fact that nobody cares is so sad.




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Tue 1 Nov 16 #391 
jmaxg
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BUT.....we are gonna see this election out.

You are gonna see he same electoral college sytem working.

You are going to see the 44th President of the United States projected in "real time". Well, as close as I can get anyway.

Who do I think will be winning all the electoral votes?

It's gonna be Hillary Rodham Clinton. This is not about me being wrong.

This is about me being right.




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Tue 1 Nov 16 #392 
jmaxg
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Please understand talking about this stuff is difficult.

Not because if I am wrong or right.

But the world is changing. Something Trump would not get if he fell over it.




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Fri 4 Nov 16 #393 
Ruby Franks (online)
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I'm going to do one of those ugly on-line things.

I've just heard that Mrs Trump has said that she pledges to combat on-line bullying.

Is she getting a divorce?




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Fri 4 Nov 16 #394 
Ruby Franks (online)
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Sorry, no, she just can do irony.




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Fri 4 Nov 16 #395 
jmaxg
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I just set up my new, real time, electoral college counter ready for posting.

Further refined now because of the state of Maine and a couple of their specific rules relative to electoral vote disbursement.

Looking forward to the big day.




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Fri 4 Nov 16 #396 
jmaxg
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Relative to the big day and what people will do....

I don't know and neither do you.

But do you want a prediction even before I post the big Electoral College Counter?

Ok......Hillary Clinton by a landslide. Good enough?

Do I stand by that?

Yes.




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Sun 6 Nov 16 #397 
jmaxg
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Three days left as we speak.

Either fascism will attempt to show its awful face again despite a millenia of history.

Or 100,000 years of male dominated tradition will finally be broken and I can look at my daughters, grand-daughters, sisters, mothers, grandmothers, aunts, cousins and friends in the face with pride instead of hypocritical shame.

 




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Tue 8 Nov 16 #398 
jmaxg
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Please vote.

Because if you don't, it will result in the most tragic of circumstances.




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Thu 10 Nov 16 #399 
Honey Badger
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For all of your ridiculous unwanted rhetoric, spread out over endless months, based upon untrue reasoning, I have only two things to say to all of you!  

1)  It's over!

2) I told you so.

 

Good bye!




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Fri 11 Nov 16 #400 
jmaxg
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I wish that was real. I bet you'll be back to gloat once more.

I'd just like to point out like TABBYTOES did, they crawled out from under a rock after the result.

At least we all stayed regardless.




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Fri 11 Nov 16 #401 
jmaxg
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And we are gonna keep pointing out how bad a business man he was.

Lewis Black: "He bankrupted a casino......a CASINO!!!"

How does one bankrupt something that normally makes money by definition?




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Fri 11 Nov 16 #402 
Helen McKenzie
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That would take skill to bankrupt something that makes money jmaxg and im being sarcastic lol




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Fri 11 Nov 16 #403 
jmaxg
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One more thing before possibly this forum gets closed down......

If I ever saw FBI director James Comey, I think I would punch him in the face.




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Fri 11 Nov 16 #404 
kevg
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Just before you close it, I see Hillary "won" by getting most votes. 100,000 more from a total of 120 million. Hardly a reason to demand a recount especially as she won California by 3 million votes. so, although I don't really care, Trump is in, she isn't and Thank God for that.

That is a thank god from a non-religious atheist before anyone starts, a figure of speech.




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Fri 11 Nov 16 #405 
chooky
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Honey Badger, you mean the tradition of having a President you wont end up being ashamed of, right?




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Sun 13 Nov 16 #406 
jmaxg
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She actually won the national vote by over 500 thousand votes.

But hey, why quibble about details, right?




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Sun 13 Nov 16 #407 
jmaxg
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To sally906, be proud. She did what was asked of her.

Nobody that truly knows is gonna STOP being proud of Hillary Clinton just because of this.




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Mon 14 Nov 16 #408 
sally906
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I saw those stats. I don't understand how someone can get the majority of the votes and not win. It doesn't seem right. I also don't get why people are rioting on the streets - ain't nothing they can do.  And 49% of the population didn't vote!  I know I grumble about compulsory voting - but if my preferred party doesn't get in I have the right to complain. But I am not sure how someone who couldn't be bothered to vote feels they should complain!  I am not saying that everyone who is demonstrating is a non voter - but I bet a lot of them are.  

Still, as I predicted months ago - now he is in he is toning down the rhetoric. I always said he was speaking to his audience. He whipped up a frenzy of racists and now he has the cheek to tell the riled up followers to stop it. I bet his folllwers are going to be as disappointed as his opponents!  

Do you really think he'll put Palin on his cabinet?




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Mon 14 Nov 16 #409 
chooky
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Well, she's not related to him so it could go either way.




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Mon 14 Nov 16 #410 
kevg
The Grumpinator

latest figures show she got 630,000 over Trump but he still has the Electoral College . Funny I didn't hear whining about Electoral College before, when you thought she was going to ace it.

Just for the record Governmen over here has won power even though not getting most votes.

It is hard being a politician. Deal wih it.

Sally , you leave us racists alone !!




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Tue 15 Nov 16 #411 
jmaxg
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Will he put Sarah Palin in his cabinet? Anything is possible.

Not rational, but possible.

Maybe he's gonna grab her in the pussy and that's why he asked for her.

I would think one could aim higher, but nevertheless.




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Tue 15 Nov 16 #412 
kevg
The Grumpinator

According to current climate I am a racist. Not sure when the needle got moved to the left but it certainly has moved. If you don't call "people of colour" that you are a racist. If you say "pass it to the coon" you are a racist. Possibly because they may score but, heyho, I am a big boy and I can take it.

What I can't take is people being my friend then stabbing me in the back because I disagree with them. You know who you are.




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Tue 15 Nov 16 #413 
chooky
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Kevg, if it's your contention that it has become very difficult to put an opinion across - even a not particularly trenchant one - without offending the sensiblities of someone or other then I completely agree with you. The cry-bullies are taking over the world.
If, however, you say anything at all about a coon & you are not refering to a furry North American animal with funny little hands & a burglar mask then you're going to seem pretty bloody racist.
Always would have, always will. 




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Wed 16 Nov 16 #414 
kevg
The Grumpinator

First option Chooky.

I would never knowingly offend anyone unless they upset me. Anyway we shouldn't be bothered about b****s it is the bloody w**s we should worrry about !!

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Wed 16 Nov 16 #415 
chooky
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I've never had a problem with w**s myself. Or extentions, toupees or merkins, for that matter.
It's h**s you really have to worry about!




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Thu 17 Nov 16 #416 
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Well, I think it wise if we just let these two just work it out for themselves.

I note a LOT of asterixes. Just sayin'.




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