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Thu 14 May 15 #1 
jmaxg
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You see, "metadata" takes all forms.

"Metadata" knows how old you are, where you come from, whether you are male or female.

It can know the colour of your hair, or your eyes.

Depending on posts, "metadata collection" can detect if you are progressive or conservative.

It can know your family history or that of your parents or siblings.

It gets that from messages you make or even from Private Messages.

I am not saying that people read them, but what I AM saying is that algorithms are designed and applied.

Why do this?  Because "metadata" has become a commodity.  It is bought and sold just like any other.

Count Factacular keeps this site open and viable just because he knows he can make a buck by selling metadata.

Why do you think he added a "like" button?  For his health or because he actually wanted to "know"?  Obviously it added to the "metadata" and the whole sellable package.

I don't expect this post to be in place for long.

But take note while you can.




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Thu 14 May 15 #2 
jmaxg
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The fact is, I could be wrong.  But I doubt it.

Consider the owner of the site, Count Factacular, almost ALWAYS on holiday.

Well, we are not.

I am not saying Count Factacular is wrong.  What I am saying is "give us a fucking break".

Just note US that do your shit for free........even while you languish on holiday.

It is NOT rocket science to work out that something is not quite right.




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Thu 14 May 15 #3 
Doctor Factenstein
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The "like" button? I added that. I did it because people asked for it and because I thought it sounded vaguely interesting to implement. 

Selling your metadata? No, we don't do that. The Privacy blurb down the bottom tells you exactly what we do with your personal data - nothing. 

This site doesn't make money. It's an entirely unfunded project since the Count removed all advertising from the site.

Advertising, incidentally, is how you turn metadata into cash. That's what places like Facebook or Google do - they use the information they pick up about you to target ads towards your areas of interest. Obviously, that's seen as a good prospect by advertisers because they expect their ads are less likely to fall on fallow ground. That's the service they pay for and that's why large operations like Facebook and Google rake in the cash. No advertising? No cash. 

Everyone who works on the site - from contributors, to editors and developers - does so without payment.

Sure, the Count isn't around. I'm barely around. Feel free to keep using the site, completely free of charge, in our absence. Have fun.




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Fri 15 May 15 #4 
scmwns

Looks like someone is fresh out of dragons and looking for blood at the petting zoo.




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Sat 16 May 15 #5 
jmaxg
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Wow!  I got a reply!  And why the hell did "scmwns" reply when he hasn't replied to anything in over a year?

I knew Doctor Factenstein was gonna go off.  That was a gimme.

But "scmwns"?  Could it be that Count F. was creeping around in the past masquerading as someone else??

Well, it sort of makes sense.

I am not saying it's honest.  But I am saying it makes sense.  It is his site afterall.




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Sat 16 May 15 #6 
Honey Badger
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There is more than meets the eye, John.  That's exactly why the government collects metadata! LOL  Someday itwill l not ne an issue but it is now,Just because THEY say so.  It s abad goernmentm Jn=max.  Can't you face it YET?

 




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Sat 16 May 15 #7 
jmaxg
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Ummm, rightio!




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Sat 16 May 15 #8 
jmaxg
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Look, I've been making this claim all along.  I am NOT sure we should be getting all "verklempt" about the "metadata" that the NSA collects.

And yes, I watched the Showtime documentary about Eric Snow.  Whilst it contributed to the panic, it didn't answer what I wanted to be answered.  As a matter of fact, it went out of it's way not to.

John Oliver's attempt went a little deeper and suggested that the NSA skims all of our smart phone interactions.  All of which is fabulous and makes for good press.  But even the John Oliver article DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION.

Does it happen?  Now, with "metadata", that just may mean somebody, ANYBODY, called a phone number on a pre-described shit list.  If they did, I am sure I am not the first person to think they should be monitored..  That's just common sense.  That's where warrants come in.

But the show also said that all your emails, yes, yours too, are up to scrutiny.  Correct?

Actually, yes.  Why?  Because you do "gmail" and Google keep their servers off American soil.  According to the "Patriot Act", anything off of American soil is up for scrutiny, no matter what the method.

Yes, that means an American can have his whole gmail life reviewed by the NSA.  An American, or any other citizen from any other country for that matter.




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Sat 16 May 15 #9 
jmaxg
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But what is "metadata"?  That's a different question..

Isn't it?




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Sat 16 May 15 #10 
jmaxg
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JMAXG, answer a strait question!

JMAXG:  "Ok"

Asker:  "Can the NSA read my smart phone?"

JMAXG:  "It depends.  Are you all Google and Instagram?  Then Yes.  Your servers are not on the United States mainland.  So yes, they can legally check out your stuff.  It's legal according to the "Patriot Act".

Asker:  "What if I just call somebody?"

JMAXG:  "If here in the United States, then no.  Nobody can touch it without a warrant.  If you call internationally, then yes, you may be subject to scrutiny including recorded phone calls depending on who you call.

Asker:  "What if I just wanted to call and text person to person here in the United States?"

JMAXG:  "It depends on your service, but ordinarily, no call, text or data transmission from person to person within the United States is subject to scrutiny by law.  But remember, it depends on the service.

Asker:  "Can I stop any collection of my data whatsoever?"

JMAXG:  "It depends.  You can if you are very smart.  Belonging to a monthly plan is NOT usually very smart.  There are alternatives.

Ok, THAT was fun.  I hope you all enjoyed the advice.




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Sun 17 May 15 #11 
sally906
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Do I care? No!  There is nothing about me that people can't access from my census paperwork. What does it matter that some unknown company knows that I am a female from Australia?  

I have always maintained that if I'm doing nothing wrong then what the harm? Really? I'm being serious here - what is the harm? I mean being tracked electronically is rather useful at times.

 Our daughter is getting married in August, I have been looking for mother-of-the-bride dresses on line. Now I find when I visit my two favourite web sites ads for wedding dresses are popping up - so useful!  Has Google blabbed to someone what I have been researching? Of course it has! Still it makes a change from the wooden watch ads that have been following me around online from previous research for my hubby's 60th.

I like to think of it as a free service rather than sinister!  

So I ask again - what's the harm?




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Mon 18 May 15 #12 
TABBYTOES
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I agree but ask why I keep getting E mails offering me exotic Russian and Asian brides!!!.....




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Mon 18 May 15 #13 
GydaGwen
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Ha Ha... what on earth have you been googling Tabby?!

 




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Mon 18 May 15 #14 
TABBYTOES
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dunno can only suspect Kev of using my E mails !!

 




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Tue 19 May 15 #15 
jmaxg
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I LIKE my fellow Factacularians.

They are smart enough to know the difference between real data and "meta data".

Like I said, I watched the "Snow" documentary and IF the conversation was between phone number and phone number (be it text, voice or pictures) within the confines of a specific country, like our internet service providers are supposed to be, then yes, data in that configuration is beyond scrutiny.

But if you use "gmail", you're screwed.




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Tue 19 May 15 #16 
shortbreadforme27
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You were screwed long time ago!




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Thu 21 May 15 #17 
jmaxg
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All of us, depending, may have been screwed a long time ago.

As "ad hominem" as you would prefer it to be, this is of concern to ALL users of gmail.




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Sun 31 May 15 #18 
kevg
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Careful Jmax, this man is a policeman and has all the relevant data on you, so Yes you are screwed

 




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Thu 4 Jun 15 #19 
sally906
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Gmail is a problem I admit. I use it to filter out undesirables. If I ever give you my gmail email you know that I don't trust you and yes you are being monitored - by me! 




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Tue 9 Jun 15 #20 
jmaxg
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That's actually a valid point.

YES. you can fuck with them as much as they fuck with you.

That's perfectly valid and always has been.




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