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Bright But Idle, legaleagle, scmwns, DiscoStu, scratch, JMK and RUI ex-1bbf
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Sat 19 Jul 08 #2 
legaleagle
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I hope you all do better than I did!


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Sat 19 Jul 08 #3 
scratch
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Thanks, legaleagle!


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Sat 19 Jul 08 #4 
scmwns

Not by much. Thanks.


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Sat 19 Jul 08 #5 
JMK
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Wouldn't let me play :(


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Sat 19 Jul 08 #6 
RUI
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the same for me i didn't play....


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Sun 20 Jul 08 #7 
Bright But Idle
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Yep, same here, can't play


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Sun 20 Jul 08 #8 
Doctor Factenstein
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Try clicking here.

It should let you play.


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Sun 20 Jul 08 #9 
Doctor Factenstein
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Aye - that link just worked for me.


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Sun 20 Jul 08 #10 
JMK
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Well it worked for me too but I would have been better off not doing it I think :)

How can heat lightning be a folk myth? It is a real phenomena.

"If a lightning strike is a sufficient distance from the observer, sound from the strike will not be heard. These silent bolts are called heat lightning. Lightning bolts produce thunder, but the thunder sound does not travel all the way to the observer if the observer is too far away."


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Sun 20 Jul 08 #11 
Bright But Idle
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Yeah, worked now, but I was sh*te


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #12 
scratch
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The myth part is that the lightning is caused by the heat - as it happens mostly in the summer. And we all know that heat is not a noun.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #13 
JMK
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Agreed that it is misnamed, but "a folk myth" is not a good definition of this atmospheric phenomena.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #14 
scratch
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I don't think the question even makes sense. I say take it out back and shoot it.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #15 
scratch
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Or Lightning unaccompanied by thunder.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #16 
JMK
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What about " lightning seen, but too distant for thunder to be heard" as it is actually accompanied by thunder, but the observer cannot hear it.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #17 
scratch
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yeah. That one.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #18 
JMK
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In the same subject is 'DOC -- a mnemonic for moon phases' isn't an atmospheric phenomena, I say it needs removing.

Similarly the 'Harvest Moon -- the full moon nearest to the autumnal equinox'.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #19 
scratch
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DOC - yeah, that can go. Not sure about Harvest Moon.

Often in the legend the Harvest Moon seems to be somehow bigger or brighter or yellower in color than other full moons. This is an illusion. The yellow or golden or orangish or reddish color of the moon shortly after it rises is a physical effect, which stems from the fact that, when you see the moon low in the sky, you are looking at it through a greater amount of atmosphere than when the moon is overhead. The atmosphere scatters the bluish component of white moonlight (which is really reflected sunlight) but allows the reddish component of the light to travel a straighter path to your eyes. Hence all moons (and stars and planets) look reddish when they are low in the sky.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #20 
scratch
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As for the large size of a full moon when seen low in the sky, it is true that the human eye sees a low hanging moon as being larger than one that rides high in the sky. This is known as a Moon Illusion and can be seen with any full moon. It can also be seen with constellations; in other words, a constellation viewed low in the sky will appear bigger than when it is high in the sky.


Consecutive paragraphs in Wiki.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #21 
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Final results:

Rank NameScore
1scratch   (offline)1632
2DiscoStu   1415
3scmwns   1250
4Bright But Idle   I'm still Stu's bitch. #2 All the way!!1206
5legaleagle   spread your wings and fly1056
6JMK   He aha te mea nui o te Ao? He tangata.750



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Mon 21 Jul 08 #22 
scratch
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Okay, Stu. I need an explanation for that one. Why does your link work? It doesn't appear to be any different from any other. And don't tell me magic.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #23 
JMK
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I looked at the Nasa site which says " The Harvest Moon is no ordinary full moon; it behaves in a special way. Throughout the year the Moon rises, on average, about 50 minutes later each day. But near the autumnal equinox, which comes this year on Sept. 22nd, the day-to-day difference in the local time of moonrise is only 30 minutes. The Moon will rise around sunset tonight--and not long after sunset for the next few evenings.

That comes in handy for northern farmers who are working long days to harvest their crops before autumn. The extra dose of lighting afforded by the full Moon closest to the equinox is what gives the Harvest Moon its name."

At the very least the definition needs changing.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #24 
scratch
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Yes - wiki says that too. I think the atmospheric phenomenon part of it, though, is the color and/or the size. But the name "Harvest Moon" needs that info that you just posted. Maybe extra info? I don't know. I just woke up.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #25 
scmwns

Granted, moon mnemonics aren't really atmospheric phenomena. Maybe I just misnamed the subject. Call it atmospheric and near earth phenomena. Phenomena = An occurrence, circumstance, or fact that is perceptible by the senses, and the different stages of the moon as observed in the northern and southern hemispheres qualify under that definition, COD being the other one.
Heat lightning. It's an errant assumption made by non-scientific folks (abundantly represented in my locality) that distant lightning is due to hot weather rather than a regular thunder storm too distant to be heard. Something that folks believe that is not true is a folk myth, just the same as a flat earth or spontaneous generation.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #26 
JMK
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I agree that what you described is the atmospheric phenomena part of it. I'll work on it.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #27 
scratch
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I don't know, scmwns. A mnemonic isn't really a phenomenon. I agree on the phases of the moon, but I am wondering if a mnemonic subject would be useful/doable/interesting/playable/etc.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #28 
JMK
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I can see that the naming of heat lightning is a folk myth but the observable phenomena is not. Are you happy for the myth part to be in the extra info, with the description being " lightning seen, but too distant for thunder to be heard"?

DOC seems out of place amongst the others. All the others are atmospheric phenomena. Personally I'd rather take out DOC than rename the subject.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #29 
scmwns

The mnemonic isn't the phenomenon. The appearance of the moon is.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #30 
scratch
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Exactly.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #31 
scmwns

I believe it's all semantics. Folk myth was a bit light on ifo, but since you changed it, I can't remember whether or not I clarified it in the description. The subject doesn't have that many entries, so the change of title to (see above) would work better than rolling out an entire new subject.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #32 
scmwns

Scratch, are you really saying that a name applied to a phenomenon should be taken out because it isn't the phenomenon itself? There wouldn't be any questions left.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #33 
scratch
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No - I'm saying that the answer to the question is a mnemonic, not a phenomenon. Granted the thing that is meant to be remembered is related to atmospheric phenomena, but the mnemonic is not directly related - as is heat lightning. Which is seen (but not heard). Heat lightning is the thing - DOC is a thing to remember the thing.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #34 
scratch
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Incidentally - it's one of the subjects I like.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #35 
JMK
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I like it too. If we add the 'near earth' part we could include things like the 'moon illusion'.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #36 
scmwns

I see what you're saying, but the mnemonics (say it 10 times fast) point to the phenomena. If we put ourselves into too small of a box so as to exclude things that directly point to the subject at hand, then I think we're putting on too many constraints. It's not as if to say the subject must contain atmospheric phenomena and only atmospheric phenomena; it can also contain things directly related tp the subject.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #37 
scratch
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Sure. That'll work.
I'd like to see more stuff there. The problem is that I don't know any more.

Not yet anyway . . .


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #38 
scratch
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ok, scmwns. i'm converted.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #39 
scmwns

Don't be so easy. I could very well be wrong. It's just that I wouldn't realize it until I argued all of my salient points.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #40 
scratch
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Well, do you have any more?


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #41 
JMK
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I have lots of atmospheric phenomena I can add.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #42 
scratch
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I was looking for salient points ;)

I am researching that now - it looks as if the halos can be expanded. There's one in here:

Airglow -- very weak emission of light by the Earth's atmosphere-- as a result, the night sky is never completely dark. It was first noticed in 1868 by Anders Ångström.

CZA -- a colorful halo in the shape of one-quarter of a circle -- Circumzenithal Arc.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #43 
scratch
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looks like you've got another one flagged in the factopedia - pillars is classified as a halo on wiki.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #44 
JMK
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Yes there are quite a few like that. There are also more rainbow effects, rays etc that could be added.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #45 
scratch
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Excellent. I look forward to those. I stuck a few mnemonic thingies over in the trading post thread. You think it might work?


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #46 
JMK
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I think it could, may need to watch the length of some of them, and that they are commonly used ones.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #47 
scratch
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yes - commonly used ones. I might need help - posting in that thread might help with that. So that people have a chance to say "hey - that's not right . . . "
I think that long one there will have to be about the limit.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #48 
JMK
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Yes, or it becomes an exercise in speed reading. Posting there is a good idea, will help collect them as well as get feedback.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #49 
scratch
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okay, then. I have laundry and sleep I need before work tomorrow. see you!


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #50 
scmwns

No more salient points. Thanks for taking an interest, you two. I've thought of adding some myself but I've just ran into a streak of laziness that I'll have to deal with sooner or later.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #51 
JMK
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It is a topic that interests me. I've added a few and have a few more to go. I've left them unapproved at the moment because I want to check none of the definitions could have more than one possible answer. With all the halos and glories and circles it gets a bit tricky.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #52 
Doctor Factenstein
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Sorry - not getting updates for this topic so I wasn't deliberately ignoring your question.

The link I posted was different from the one on the home page, scratch. The one on the home page was to brainoff_display.php whereas the one I posted was to brainoff_play_codebehind.php.

The first link, as you might guess, just displays a brainoff. The second actually plays it.

Beats me why the wrong one was displaying.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #53 
scratch
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Thanks, Stu. I was looking at some others I couldn't play and wondering what you had done. But that wasn't it. The play link just didn't work.


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Mon 21 Jul 08 #54 
Doctor Factenstein
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No - other ones say that they can't find the sequence ID. That's a more significant problem - a screw up in the database.

This method only works when the homepage link reads "View Scores"


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